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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Jaqui n’ all<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hey ! I have spotted something here …………
of course the discussion is about V.A.T. …………… and Jaqui mentions the extra
admin and the hassle (we should be all use to it by now anyway) but, the
interesting fact is this (as Rolf Harris would say ‘’have you guessed what it
is yet?) Jaqui mentions ‘’near the threshold or not’’
my observation is this ………………….. if you ain’t anywhere near the threshold and
trust me …………… this last 12 months we have really slipped away from that
threshold may I ask the question ?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>WHEN ARE YOU HOLDING YOUR CLOSING DOWN <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">SALE</st1:place></st1:City> ?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If you catch my drift?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>How does anyone survive on less than at
least fifty five grand …………….. here lies our problem ……………………. We operated this
year on about £48,000 and now we are in the proverbial. We know the illnesses
and the symptoms, but the DCMS doctor won’t prescribe any medicine …………………… I
think it’s a case of ‘’go and have a lie down, you’ll be OK in a week or two’’
no we won’t Mr Doctor …………. We’re dying !<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Croak croak gulp gulp ………….. ‘’Help !’’<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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jaquicma@googlemail.com [mailto:jaquicma@googlemail.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>jaqui devereux<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 08 February 2011 10:25<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Ian Hickling<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> office@ccr-fm.co.uk; Glyn
Gloss; cma-l<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [cma-l] Charitable
Status</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dear all<br>
<br>
Just as a point of clarification re VAT registration:<br>
<br>
It makes no difference at all whether you are a CLG, CIC, charity or charitable
company. If the sources of your income fall within the scope of VAT, and
the total of those sources in scope exceed the VAT threshold, currently
£70,000, then you MUST register for VAT. Whether income is within the
scope depends on its nature. So an out and out grant will not be, a
service level agreement may or may not be (even if for education/training)
depending on the wording and whether the funding body treats it as within the
scope, ads and sponsorship etc almost certainly will be. Any of the above
organisation types can register voluntarily for VAT but it really is not worth
the extra accounting hassle unless you are quite close to the threshold (look
on the HMRC website for the rules on VAT partial exemption calculations
requirements). Partial exemption is a minefield!<br>
<br>
Hope that helps<br>
<br>
Jaqui<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On 5 February 2011 18:57, Ian Hickling <<a
href="mailto:transplanfm@hotmail.com">transplanfm@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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As I have said many times - the obvious solution is to run three businesses
concurrently:<br>
<br>
1 - The Community Radio station as a CIC which does not return a profit.<br>
2 - A Charitable arm which can accept charitable donations which does not
retrun a profit and feeds the station.<br>
3 - A commercial limited company which can return a profit from a wide
range of activities, is VAT-registered and feeds the station.<br>
<br>
It's sensible business practice - not rocket science.<br>
<br>
To lose that much VAT by default is just plain stupid - sorry!<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>From: <a
href="mailto:office@ccr-fm.co.uk" target="_blank">office@ccr-fm.co.uk</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:info@a-bc.co.uk" target="_blank">info@a-bc.co.uk</a>; <a
href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a><br>
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 14:34:48 +0000<br>
Subject: Re: [cma-l] charity status<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Glyn n’ all</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Thanks Glyn …………. As I said …. It looks like everyone is
fumbling around in the dark. Either we can as a fraturnity / brotherhood or we
can’t …….. which is it …. ?? I dunno’?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Regards</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Nick</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:glyn.m.roylance@googlemail.com" target="_blank">glyn.m.roylance@googlemail.com</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:glyn.m.roylance@googlemail.com" target="_blank">glyn.m.roylance@googlemail.com</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Associated Broadcast
Consultants<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 04 February 2011 22:59<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Office - ccr-fm<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> CMA-L<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [cma-l] charity
status</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Yes we
had the same experience. Essentially we discovered that a community radio
station could not be a charity unless it fulfilled one of a number of narrow
categories . ie: if we decided to be a religious radio station then
bingo, but we did not want to go that way.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Instead
we went down the CIC route. It was "sold" to us as being
equivalent to being a charity, but from a recent approach from Inland Revenue I
think it might have some drawbacks compared to being a charity (they seem to
treat us like any other ommercial Ltd company) - but I'm not an expert.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Glyn
Roylance<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>GLOSS
FM.org<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 4
February 2011 18:16, Office - ccr-fm <<a href="mailto:office@ccr-fm.co.uk"
target="_blank">office@ccr-fm.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Dear
All</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Just
a quick enquiry ………………. Does anyone know how many Community Radio Stations in
our fraturnity/brotherhood are actually charities ?? I
know that we looked into it 7 years ago but the process was a complete
nightmare. Also, in 2004 I clearly remember that the Charities commision simply
had NO category for radio ….. it was almost as if they didn’t understand it
>?>?
I think the key to it and the crux of the matter was that we were technically
‘’all over the place’’ in what we were providing ……… in otherwords, providing a
lot, but nothing specific
!
almost ‘’a jack of all
trades but master of none’’</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Have
any of you guys had a similar experience
?
I seem to recall that there is a station on the south coast as a charity ??
plus Regen (near to us) in <st1:place
w:st="on">South Manchester</st1:place> who do run Wythenshawe FM and ALL FM
……………… outside of that, I’m a bit clueless to be honest ……. Any ideas ?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>What
about <st1:place w:st="on">Sheffield</st1:place> and of course the CMA ?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Many
thanks</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Regards</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Nick</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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