<html><head><style><!--.hmmessage P{margin:0px;padding:0px}body.hmmessage{font-size: 10pt;font-family:Tahoma}--></style></head><body class='hmmessage'>1 & 3 can be combined in a company limited by guarantee with a suitable constitution, which is in effect what most of us do, isn't it? <br><br>If you run part of the operation as a company returning profits it is subject to Corporation Tax isn't it? <br><br>Alex<br><br><div id="htc_header" style="">----- Reply message -----<br>From: "Ian Hickling" <transplanfm@hotmail.com><br>Date: Sat, Feb 5, 2011 18:57<br>Subject: [cma-l] Charitable Status<br>To: "office@ccr-fm.co.uk" <office@ccr-fm.co.uk>, "Glyn Gloss" <info@a-bc.co.uk>, "cma-l" <cma-l@commedia.org.uk><br><br></div>
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As I have said many times - the obvious solution is to run three businesses concurrently:<BR>
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1 - The Community Radio station as a CIC which does not return a profit.<BR>
2 - A Charitable arm which can accept charitable donations which does not retrun a profit and feeds the station.<BR>
3 - A commercial limited company which can return a profit from a wide range of activities, is VAT-registered and feeds the station.<BR>
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It's sensible business practice - not rocket science.<BR>
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To lose that much VAT by default is just plain stupid - sorry!<BR>
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From: office@ccr-fm.co.uk<BR>To: info@a-bc.co.uk; cma-l@commedia.org.uk<BR>Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 14:34:48 +0000<BR>Subject: Re: [cma-l] charity status<BR><BR>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Thanks Glyn …………. As I said …. It looks like everyone is fumbling around in the dark. Either we can as a fraturnity / brotherhood or we can’t …….. which is it …. ?? I dunno’?</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Regards</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold" lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US> glyn.m.roylance@googlemail.com [mailto:glyn.m.roylance@googlemail.com] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Associated Broadcast Consultants<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 04 February 2011 22:59<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Office - ccr-fm<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> CMA-L<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [cma-l] charity status</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=EN-US></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Yes we had the same experience. Essentially we discovered that a community radio station could not be a charity unless it fulfilled one of a number of narrow categories . ie: if we decided to be a religious radio station then bingo, but we did not want to go that way.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Instead we went down the CIC route. It was "sold" to us as being equivalent to being a charity, but from a recent approach from Inland Revenue I think it might have some drawbacks compared to being a charity (they seem to treat us like any other ommercial Ltd company) - but I'm not an expert.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Glyn Roylance</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On 4 February 2011 18:16, Office - ccr-fm <<A href="mailto:office@ccr-fm.co.uk">office@ccr-fm.co.uk</A>> wrote:</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Just a quick enquiry ………………. Does anyone know how many Community Radio Stations in our fraturnity/brotherhood are actually charities ?? I know that we looked into it 7 years ago but the process was a complete nightmare. Also, in 2004 I clearly remember that the Charities commision simply had NO category for radio ….. it was almost as if they didn’t understand it >?>? I think the key to it and the crux of the matter was that we were technically ‘’all over the place’’ in what we were providing ……… in otherwords, providing a lot, but nothing specific ! almost ‘’a jack of all trades but master of none’’</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Have any of you guys had a similar experience ? I seem to recall that there is a station on the south coast as a charity ?? plus Regen (near to us) in South Manchester who do run Wythenshawe FM and ALL FM ……………… outside of that, I’m a bit clueless to be honest ……. Any ideas ?</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">What about Sheffield and of course the CMA ?</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=ecxMsoNormal><FONT size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Many thanks</SPAN></FONT></P>
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