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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Julie / Peter and All<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Many many thanks for this …………. Thanks for
your reply and for sharing your experiences …………………. Would you not argue though
that once again it proves what a complete shambles this whole affair is in
?? it beggars belief ………. There doesn’t appear to be any kind of
consistency in rules, regulations, applications and is almost as if the whole
thing has been rushed through.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Possibly it has been rushed through, which
in fairness, and giving everyone the benefit of the doubt was the right thing
to do, or else we could still be faffing around with the pilots ….. however !
where the whole thing in my opinion has failed is the fact that there are clear
issues, there are clear problems and there are honest, descent people pleading
with the powers that be to help them …….. even to the point of saying ‘’if you
don’t believe us’’ ‘’come and check it out for yourself’’ I don’t think
we can be anymore staightforward, upfront and humble than that ………………………….. and
still it rumbles on.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Julies experiences with the commision are
exactly the same as ours, and yet Peter has got charity status …(why?)(how?)
we are all basically the same aren’t we !? ……….. some stations are on 25
watts and managing very well indeed, whilst others are on 25 watts and
struggling ……. In fact there are areas close to us around here where I could
chuck the signal further using a catapult !<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And finally …………. We got SOME stations
advertising and others NOT ABLE TO ?????? …………………. I truly truly
believe, that if you went to <st1:country-region w:st="on">South Africa</st1:country-region>
or <st1:country-region w:st="on">Japan</st1:country-region> or <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">America</st1:place></st1:country-region> and
told them all about this ………… they’d die with laughter.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think as a Country we are embarrasing
ourselves and making a mockery of something that in the main is bloody
marvellous ………………<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thank you guys ………. You have been most
helpful<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Nick<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
londonhuayu@gmail.com [mailto:londonhuayu@gmail.com] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>London Chinese Radio<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 04 February 2011 23:23<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Julie@rwsfm.co.uk;
office@ccr-fm.co.uk<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [cma-l] charity
status</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=SimSun><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi,</span></font><font
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=SimSun><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>We're
a charity. (Just spent all day doing my charity returns!)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=SimSun><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>We
had no problem registering as one, and the charity commission even gave us help
in writing our charitable objectives.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=SimSun><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>They
are on our <a href="http://www.londonhuayu.co.uk">website</a> on about us.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=SimSun><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=SimSun><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Peter<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><font size=3
face=SimSun><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>London</span></font></st1:place></st1:City>
Chinese Radio<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=SimSun><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On
Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 9:23 PM, <<a href="mailto:Julie@rwsfm.co.uk">Julie@rwsfm.co.uk</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=SimSun><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Guys<br>
<br>
We were a registered charity when we were hospital radio, I then spent<br>
9 months arguing the toss with the Charity Commission on how we were<br>
just branching out in to the community. The response from the CC was<br>
that not everything community radio does is of a "charitable nature"<br>
unlike hospital radio which releaves the sick.<br>
<br>
You are correct in saying that the CC have no category for radio, and<br>
as far as I am aware have no intention of changing that anytime soon.<br>
<br>
My advice, don't waste your time and energy unless the CMA are<br>
prepared to take it up with Charity Commission, however, I did bring<br>
this up with Jacqui last year.<br>
<br>
Julie MacLeod<br>
Station Manager<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Quoting Office - ccr-fm <<a href="mailto:office@ccr-fm.co.uk">office@ccr-fm.co.uk</a>>:<br>
<br>
> Dear All<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Just a quick enquiry ....... Does anyone know how many Community Radio<br>
> Stations in our fraturnity/brotherhood are actually charities ?? </span></font><font
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font>
<font face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font>
I know<br>
> that we looked into it 7 years ago but the process was a complete
nightmare.<br>
> Also, in 2004 I clearly remember that the Charities commision simply had
NO<br>
> category for radio ... it was almost as if they didn't understand it
>?>?<br>
> I think the key to it and the crux of the matter was that we were<br>
> technically ''all over the place'' in what we were providing ... in<br>
> otherwords, providing a lot, but nothing specific !<br>
> almost <font face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font>
<font face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font>
<font face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font>
<font face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font>
<font face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font>''a
jack of all trades but master of none''<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Have any of you guys had a similar experience ? <font
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font>
<font face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font>
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<font face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font>
I seem<br>
> to recall that there is a station on the south coast as a charity ??<br>
> plus <font face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font>
<font face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font>
<font face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font>
<font face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span></font>
Regen (near to us) in <st1:place w:st="on">South Manchester</st1:place> who do
run Wythenshawe<br>
> FM and ALL FM ...... outside of that, I'm a bit clueless to be honest ...<br>
> Any ideas ?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> What about <st1:place w:st="on">Sheffield</st1:place> and of course the
CMA ?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Many thanks<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Nick<br>
><br>
><br>
<br>
<br>
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