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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks again Eddie and Ian.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>By the way …………. Over the past 5 years we’ve
lost about £80.000 to V.A.T. ! make your own minds up on this
one, especially if you are a new station …. I think we missed the boat on this
one ………….. in fact we missed the plane, the train, the bus and the taxi
! the lot !<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Nick<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
Eddie Winship [mailto:eddie.winship@virgin.net] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 05 February 2011 10:20<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> trevor@felixstoweradio.co.uk;
Julie@rwsfm.co.uk; Office - ccr-fm<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> CMA-L<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [cma-l] charity
status</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Hi All<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Excellent response
Trevor!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Reading Community
Radio became a Registered Charity some 4 years ago with surprisingly little
trouble. We did get valuable assistance from Reading Voluntary Action and our
application was based on the work we are doing in the community.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Quite a few Grant
makers are for Charities only. We are also a Limited Liability Company –
required if applying for a full-time CR Licence.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>On another, but
linked, track, I would support what Ian Hickling is always preaching – Register
for VAT! This allows you to reclaim VAT at the cost of a quarterly return.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Eddie<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Eddie Winship<br>
Chair, Reading Community Radio, Reg Charity No. 1119557<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Streaming 24/7 as
Reading4u on <a href="http://www.reading4u.co.uk">www.reading4u.co.uk</a> <br>
Walford Hall, <st1:address w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on">Carey Street</st1:Street>,
<st1:City w:st="on">Reading</st1:City> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">RG1 7JS</st1:PostalCode></st1:address><br>
Tel: 0118 327 9774<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:trevor@felixstoweradio.co.uk" title="trevor@felixstoweradio.co.uk">trevor@felixstoweradio.co.uk</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> Friday, February 04,
2011 10:51 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:Julie@rwsfm.co.uk" title="Julie@rwsfm.co.uk">Julie@rwsfm.co.uk</a>
; <a href="mailto:office@ccr-fm.co.uk" title="office@ccr-fm.co.uk">Office -
ccr-fm</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk" title="cma-l@commedia.org.uk">CMA-L</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> Re:
[cma-l] charity status<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=1 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>Julie<br>
<br>
For <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Suffolk</st1:place></st1:City> and
to make a small start I've registered Media Fish Suffolk with HMRC, to gain
charitable status, which allows us to accept under £5,000 pa without registering.
It's early days but remember that your station may spawn and support activities
that can be regarded as charities - I'll not provide an exhaustive list here.<br>
<br>
A community station could have several legal entities. I prefer Community
Interest Company, by guarantee or shares and I started a Ning group,
http://cicassoc.ning.com that now has over 1,000 members - and influence with
the CIC Regulator and other agencies. Your station could also have a trading
arm as a private limited company, by guarantee or with shares, and it could be
a simple association with a constitution. Or it could be all of these, and
there are other options.<br>
<br>
As a charity it may be possible to attract more funds - the CIC Regulator is
supporting claims for equality - we shall see. A registered charity does
require an additional commitment, and more administration - and so serious
consideration must be given.<br>
<br>
I'll not enter the murky world of trust funds, legacies and gambling
(lotteries... perhaps).<br>
<br>
As voluntary groups we face enormous challenges - and penalties if we get it
wrong. Don't be dismayed by the bureaucracy, don't believe that charitable
status is always worthwhile.<br>
<br>
There's a useful guide for trustees at http://trusteelearning.org/<br>
<br>
Keep going.<br>
<br>
Trevor<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>-----
Original Message -----<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=1 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>From:
Julie@rwsfm.co.uk<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=1 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>Sent:
04/02/11 09:23 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=1 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>To:
Office - ccr-fm<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=1 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>Subject:
Re: [cma-l] charity status<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<div><pre style='WORD-WRAP: break-word;white-space:pre-wrap'><font size=2
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Guys <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>We were a registered charity when we were hospital radio, I then spent <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>9 months arguing the toss with the Charity Commission on how we were <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>just branching out in to the community. The response from the CC was <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>that not everything community radio does is of a "charitable nature" <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>unlike hospital radio which releaves the sick. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>You are correct in saying that the CC have no category for radio, and <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>as far as I am aware have no intention of changing that anytime soon. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>My advice, don't waste your time and energy unless the CMA are <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>prepared to take it up with Charity Commission, however, I did bring <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>this up with Jacqui last year. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Julie MacLeod <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Station Manager <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Quoting Office - ccr-fm <office@ccr-fm.co.uk>: <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> Dear All <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> Just a quick enquiry ....... Does anyone know how many Community Radio <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> Stations in our fraturnity/brotherhood are actually charities ?? I know <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> that we looked into it 7 years ago but the process was a complete nightmare. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> Also, in 2004 I clearly remember that the Charities commision simply had NO <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> category for radio ... it was almost as if they didn't understand it >?>? <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> I think the key to it and the crux of the matter was that we were <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> technically ''all over the place'' in what we were providing ... in <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> otherwords, providing a lot, but nothing specific ! <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> almost ''a jack of all trades but master of none'' <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> Have any of you guys had a similar experience ? I seem <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> to recall that there is a station on the south coast as a charity ?? <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> plus Regen (near to us) in <st1:place
w:st="on">South Manchester</st1:place> who do run Wythenshawe <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> FM and ALL FM ...... outside of that, I'm a bit clueless to be honest ... <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> Any ideas ? <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> What about <st1:place
w:st="on">Sheffield</st1:place> and of course the CMA ? <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> Many thanks <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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