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Please give us some further information, FM or MW details of the site etc<div><br></div><div>Ian Hickling or I can probably help.</div><div><br></div><div>Mark Polden</div><div>Flame CCR<br><br><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 06:22:06 -0800<br>From: hulaksewa@yahoo.com<br>Subject: Re: [cma-l] Future thoughts for CMA<br>To: office@ccr-fm.co.uk; transplanfm@hotmail.com; markianpolden@hotmail.com; cma-l@commedia.org.uk<br><br>
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<div>We are all set to go but stuck with the antenna problem. Could anyone direct me to the right people to address this problem, what we are seeking basically is tech advice.</div>
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<div>Merry Christmas to all</div>
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<div>Tikendra<br> </div>British Gurkha Welfare Society (BGWS), <br>119 Wren Way,Farnborough, Hampshire, GU14 8TA, UK <br><br>Phone: (44) 01252 510 794 <br>http://www.bgws.org/
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Office - ccr-fm <office@ccr-fm.co.uk><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Ian Hickling <transplanfm@hotmail.com>; mark polden <markianpolden@hotmail.com>; CMA-L <cma-l@commedia.org.uk><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Fri, 24 December, 2010 14:53:53<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [cma-l] Future thoughts for CMA<br></font><br>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt">Here we go again with the power / transmission / 5km / ofcom / original application - malarky
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt">Not wanting to spoil anyones christmas so --------------- Ill tread very carefully. Lets analyse the Community Radio story.</span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt"><span>1)<font size="1" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt">Someone has this brilliant idea = Community Radio</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt"><span>2)<font size="1" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt">Commercial Radio dont like it !</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt"><span>3)<font size="1" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt">A bit of whinging, wineing and dining takes place, a few politicians who are quite good at fiddling expenses get approached, but dont have the balls to toss aside restrictions that basically beggar belief
. Its called wrong priorities and being a job for the wrong reason !</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt"><span>4)<font size="1" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt">Anyway
. Everyone agrees that we suck it and see
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we suck and see</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt"><span>5)<font size="1" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt">We suddenly notice that the flavour after sucking it has a rather unusual taste --- things are tough, they continue to be tough, theyre still tough and getting tougher
.. still the main bits on the restrictions remain</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt"><span>6)<font size="1" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt">We all agree and people can see how wonderful community radio is
we (CCR) have had about 25 youngsters in the station over the past 3 weeks all making radio
kids with dissabilities, kids who were once hanging about on the street now making radio, cub groups doin activities for their badges ---- only possible because of community radio.</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt"><span>7)<font size="1" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt">We get pats on the back from the Councils, the Police, the Fire service, Community Groups etc
.. but we get no grants, no funding and the community fund is useless
. Even it was very good the way its doled out is a disgrace and goes against the fundamental way we operate community radio. EQUALITIES AND OPPORTUNITIES TO ALL</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt"><span>8)<font size="1" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt">We (CCR) have to unfortunately change our tactics or DIE ! the restrictions really do now RESTRICT / PREVENT / THWART growth and threaten our very survival.</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt"><span>9)<font size="1" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt">We (CCR) gain many listeners this year, our website grows and we try to generate money by being a touch more commercial minded
.. no problem really as the ethos of the station remains the same
Community led / Community first / Not-for-profit / reinvestment in the station / volunteering / brotherhood
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<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt"><span>10)<font size="1" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt">The rules prevent us from being commercially minded we simply dare not and cannot compete so what we are now left with is that ALL our funding streams are blocked.</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt"><span>11)<font size="1" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt">Sorry to Ian and others
but, I dont know whether or not you have been away in Lapland with Father Christmas for the past 6 years but the 5km DOES exist. I ll prove it
. Because when we have approached ofcom regarding the problems we get told the same thing and never get past the first hurdle. Areas of Poynton / Macclesfield / Wilmslow are outside our 5km
sometimes only yards but the quote is
. you are outside your zone We obviously have to be careful
as we could interfere with other users. Bollington is surrounded by 3 miles of countryside
.. surely we cant include shrubs, trees, sheep, canals etc into the figures
.. ?? but we do !</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt"><span>12)<font size="1" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt">Other big users Key / Ram etc interfere with us
. BUT because of the 5km bull -------------------s -------------------------------h ------------------- it we cant defend ourselves
. Something as simple as putting the power up by 20 watts WOULD make a difference. We dont need height, we do not want to chuck our signal all over the North West , we simply want to defend our Castle.</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt"><span>13)<font size="1" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt">We gain listeners but lose as many as we gain
why ? coz they cant hear us ?</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt"><span>14)<font size="1" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt">This is where community radio is at !</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt"><span>15)<font size="1" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt">Each station needs a community fund that at least pays our licence fees
and rent (basically things that relate to our mer;; existance) say = £12,000 each, guaranteed every year everyone</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt"><span>16)<font size="1" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt">Listeners / Sponsors / Local businesses do not really understand what we do. Actually, that isnt exactly true as local people see that we work with others in the community etc
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.. lets get down to laymans terms
with the best will in the world and the desire to give a bit of money to the community, certainly in a recession the bottom line is these guys want to know What do we get in return and listeners just want good community radio</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt"><span>17)<font size="1" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt">Advertising restrictions doesnt give the sponsor what they want ! and a signal that hisses and spits the moment you go out of range by 3 yards doesnt give a potential listener what they want.</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt"><span>18)<font size="1" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt">I find it absolutely unbeleivable that all the smaller stations like us havent gone tits-up ?? however, looking at our position and reading between the lines, some are mighty close.</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt"><span>19)<font size="1" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt">Commercial stations seem to be able to do what the hell they want
.. I can prove that as well with at least 4 around this area who have at the drop of a hat change their remits and commitments.</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt"><span>20)<font size="1" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt">Were fed up
pissed off (if we are going to swear) and angry
not fed up of what we are doing
.. we LOVE IT ! but fed up of being treated like morons
in fact you wouldnt treat a dog how we are being treated.</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt"><span>21)<font size="1" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font:7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></font></span></span></font><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt">We have more than proved our worth, we have also proved that the sales / non sales etc of commercial radio has no bearing on what we do or v / v and if it does, its their fault for being either to expensive, too greedy, to arogant or basically garbage. And yet still
they treat us as competition.</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt">Its Christmas, and the good lord wont be smiling on me if I am angry. It is all about peace and goodwill and everyone getting along together. This can be done if there is a will within the Ivory Towers.</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt">I cant say anymore really except
Merry Christmas and let us hope for some goodwill, common sense and success in 2011.</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt">God bless us all
. everyone</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-size:10pt">Regards</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-family:Tahoma;font-size:10pt;font-weight:bold" lang="EN-US">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-family:Tahoma;font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US"> cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk [mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Ian Hickling<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> 24 December 2010 10:54<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Mark Polden; phil@somersetfilm.com; cma-l<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [cma-l] Future thoughts for CMA</span></font><span lang="EN-US"></span></p></div>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-family:Tahoma;font-size:10pt"> <br>Mark<br>There is no "5km Rule"<br>There never has been!<br>The 5km is a suggestion for what the usual Community Radio station should aim for.<br>The criterion has always been - as I have said so many times - that it is up to you as the Applicant to identify your target audience and to tell Ofcom how you proposed to cover it.<br>Just a few have done that and have been allocated the coverage they want<br>If you can't or don't do that, then you really have no-one to blame but yourself.<br>And similarly, if you don't get someone who understands propagation to guide you and prepare your technical submission, you're asking for trouble because you most likely won't cover your desired audience and you therefore won't be able to command the kind of revenue you'll need to stay in business after your set-up funding has
gone.<br>The vast majority of the 190-odd CRs on air at the moment are in this situation and Ofcom currently has said "no chance" for anyone wanting clearance to upgrade transmission.<br>It has to be said also that the money to put in a sensible transmission system that will do the trick usually isn't made available at the start and that's the other reason why stations are suffering.<br>I know of one recently that spent £900 on three mic arms and then decided that it couldn't afford a processor.<br>Crazy!<br> <br>If you mean asking for more power, then that's quite a different matter from your "5km Rule", but Ofcom will still give you exactly the same message for a long time to come.</span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12pt" class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-family:Tahoma;font-size:10pt"><br><br>Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:18:31 +0000<br>From: phil@somersetfilm.com<br>To: cma-l@commedia.org.uk<br>Subject: [cma-l] Happy Christmas and future thoughts for CMA</span></font></p><pre><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10pt">Hi members and friends<br>
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Happy Christmas and a great New Year to all!<br>
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This has been a challenging year for most of us in different ways and the<br>
signs are that it won't get much easier anytime soon. However the good<br>
news is that thanks to the hard work of our great staff and the support of<br>
members, CMA is holding its own and continuing to punch above its weight on<br>
many fronts. <br>
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We are far from complacent however and right now Council is looking at the<br>
best ways forward for the organisation into 2011-12 and beyond. We need<br>
your input into this debate.<br>
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* Three of the main questions are: what are the key characteristics of our<br>
sector? what does the sector need? - and - what can the CMA feasibly offer?<br>
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Some of the answers to these questions are obvious of course - like lots of<br>
us (but by no means all) run radio stations, like we need more money and<br>
higher profile for example! Others may not be so clear.<br>
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We've found it useful to go back to our Charter and to ask if it remains fit<br>
for purpose. The answer in our view is primarily 'yes, the Charter<br>
continues to eloquently express what we mean by community media and what the<br>
important principles are that inform our practice'. I'm adding the<br>
wording of the Charter in full to the foot of this posting for you to<br>
review. We feel there are some details which could do with updating but<br>
only minor revisions needed. What do you think?<br>
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Does everyone read and digest the charter when they sign up to the CMA? Do<br>
we all adhere to these principles in our activities? We feel it's<br>
important to go back to first principles in this way, to try and identify<br>
our USP and our collective commitment to it. We are entering an ever more<br>
complex multi platform environment in which it will be increasingly<br>
difficult to discern the provenance and intention of content. CMA and the<br>
community media sector has a stated common purpose and we need to be clear<br>
we are all signed up to the same starting point. There may well be other<br>
organisations who would also subscribe to the Charter - they are our<br>
potential partners as we seek to sustain accessible platforms for the
UK 's<br>
rich diversity of voices to be heard without fear or prejudice.<br>
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Once we all confirm that we have the starting point right (and I know this<br>
was done years back but a review process is always healthy) then there are<br>
important questions to ask about structure and strategy. Council is<br>
looking at these issues too.<br>
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Our next meeting is on 29 January. I will post a weekly update on our<br>
debate through January and look forward to hearing your views as we move<br>
forward. We need your input so please give it some thought. First off,<br>
thoughts about the Charter and whether we can reference it as a kite-mark<br>
for content. A bit like Fair Trade for example. There are pros and cons<br>
for this argument but let's hear your thoughts. Many thanks.<br>
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In the meantime, here's to a good festive season for all.<br>
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Best wishes<br>
<br>
Phil<br>
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Phil Shepherd <br>
Chair of Council<br>
Community Media Association<br>
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philshep.wordpress.com<br>
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THE COMMUNITY MEDIA CHARTER<br>
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Recognising that Community Media fosters the freedom of expression and<br>
information, the development of culture, the freedom to form and confront<br>
opinions and active participation in local life; noting that different<br>
cultures and communities lead to a diversity of forms of Community Media;<br>
this Charter identifies objectives which Community Media share and should<br>
strive to achieve: <br>
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1. To promote the right to communicate, to assist the free flow of<br>
information and opinions, to encourage creative expression and to contribute<br>
to the democratic process and a pluralist society;<br>
2. To provide access to training, production and distribution facilities, to<br>
encourage local creative talent, to foster local traditions, and to provide<br>
services for the benefit, entertainment, education and development of their<br>
audience; <br>
3. To seek to have their ownership representative of local geographically<br>
recognisable communities or of communities of common interest;<br>
4. To be editorially independent of the government, commercial and religious<br>
institutions and political parties in determining their programming policy;<br>
5. To provide a right of access to minority and marginalised groups and to<br>
promote and protect cultural and linguistic diversity;<br>
6. To honestly inform their audience on the basis of information drawn from<br>
a variety of sources and to provide a right of reply to any person or<br>
organisation subject to serious misrepresentation;<br>
7. To be established as organisations which are not run with a view to<br>
profit and to ensure their independence by being financed from a variety of<br>
sources; <br>
8. To recognise and respect the contribution of volunteers, to recognise the<br>
right of paid workers to join their trade unions and provide satisfactory<br>
working conditions for both;<br>
9. To operate management, programming and employment practices which oppose<br>
discrimination and which are open and accountable to all supporters, staff<br>
and volunteers; <br>
10. To foster exchange between Community Media practitioners using<br>
communications to develop greater understanding in support of peace,<br>
tolerance, democracy and development.<br>
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