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If that is the problem, I would be willing to have a look at the terain for you. I am based on the wirral, not far away and we have ten years experience on fm even tho we are now on MW. We use a piece of audio over ip software for our STL which cost about £200 and a £25 per month virgin contract each end.<div style="text-indent: 0px !important; "><br style="text-indent: 0px !important; "></div><div style="text-indent: 0px !important; ">Mark</div><div style="text-indent: 0px !important; ">Flame CCR<br style="text-indent: 0px !important; "></div><br><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 19:24:10 +0000<br>Subject: Re: [cma-l] quick story to tell fellows<br>From: glyn@glossfm.org<br>To: martin@martinsteers.co.uk<br>CC: markianpolden@hotmail.com; jw@558.net; office@ccr-fm.co.uk; cma-l@commedia.org.uk<br><br>I agree with Ian. It's probably just a matter of having a look at the transmitter site location. Apologies if I'm being patronising - I don't know how much you know.<div><br></div><div>25watts is enough to cover considerably further than 5km if you get the location right, and if there is not a strong local interferer - and Saddleworth (Key 103 TX location the last I knew) is a LONG way from Macc. I help at an RSL station in S Glos and we get out considerably further than 5km on the same power!</div>
<div><br></div><div>Power has a surprisingly small effect on coverage area - you could double your power and scarcely detect the difference. Geography (ie: hills) is far more important factor. I strongly suggest you consider alternative transmitter locations if you have not already. This is relatively easy with the right computer coverage predictions tools used wisely. If you have your transmitter co-located to your studio, it's unlikely to be in an optimal location - meaning you'll need an STL (studio to transmitter link). Sounds scary and expensive, but it needn't be (but could be with the wrong choice!).</div>
<div><br></div><div>As Ian says there are numerous suppliers with solutions out there. Plug time - have a look at <a href="http://www.a-bc.co.uk" target="_blank">www.a-bc.co.uk</a>. Other broadcast consultants exist!</div><div><br></div>
<div>And once again - apologies if this seems patronising - it's the first time I've replied to a CMA post, and I don't know many people's background!</div><div><br></div><div>Regards, Glyn</div><div><br></div>
<div><br></div><div><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On 6 November 2010 12:53, Martin Steers <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:martin@martinsteers.co.uk">martin@martinsteers.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div style="color:black;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt">
<br></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4"><span style="font-size:10pt">I agree that the government could do alot more.. however I do feel they are more committed than the previous administration, they </span></font><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span style="font-size:13px">reaffirmed their digital vision early on, BUT made reference to it being a switch over to keep the FM for ILR's and Community stations, they have been working with industry to get DAB in all new cars within a few years and to make all DAB radios HAVE to have FM (IF that
happens)...</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4"><span style="font-size:10pt"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span style="font-size:13px"></span></font><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4"><span style="font-size:10pt">DAB is part of the future of digital radio, not the only part.. DAB accounts for more digital listening than all other digital platforms, and more people listen via the telly than the internet... Internet radio isnt the sole future of radio, i know loads of "everyday" people with FM and DAB sets.. but the only internet radio i have ever known is owned by a real hardcore radio bod..</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span style="font-size:13px"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span style="font-size:13px">Stations need to take all opportunities to use every platform, even considering using the Radio Player and other platforms (satellite, freeview TV, sky etc)</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span style="font-size:13px"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span style="font-size:13px">But what we do need to do (and add to the list) is to lobby for a review of the power levels limits etc so that we can cater for communities of interest NOT just communities of location..</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif" size="3"><span style="font-size:13px"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span style="font-size:13px">Martin</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span style="font-size:13px"><br>
</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span style="font-size:13px"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span style="font-size:13px">Martin Steers</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span style="font-size:13px"><a href="mailto:martin@martinsteers.co.uk">martin@martinsteers.co.uk</a></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span style="font-size:13px"><br>
</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span style="font-size:13px"> </span></font><br><div style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt;color:black">
<font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> mark polden <<a href="mailto:markianpolden@hotmail.com">markianpolden@hotmail.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:jw@558.net">jw@558.net</a>; <a href="mailto:office@ccr-fm.co.uk">office@ccr-fm.co.uk</a>; <a href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Sat, 6 November, 2010 10:07:21<div><div></div><div><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [cma-l] quick story to tell fellows<br></div></div>
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This again comes down to the idea of community radio or community of special interest radio. Joseph and myself clearly represent the latter and we are hoping next year when we build our new antenna to do a reappraisal of this (we are on MW btw). <div>
<br></div><div>However as purely community stations this is a difficult situation. We are currently in a no mans land of digital switchover will it ever happen or not (according to the CEG report) and the current status quo seems unlikely to change in the forseeable future. The current government has far too many other problems on its plate and it being a political hot potato with very little real reason/benefit for a kicking. I personally think that in that situation people will see over time that DAB is dead in the water and will be overtaken by internet radio listenership increasingly in cars.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Where does that leave the community sector, well we carry on as best we can
although some smaller community stations will fall by the wayside but I would encourage those stations with coverage problems to push their internet broadcasting instead.</div><div><br></div><div>Mark Polden</div><div>Flame CCR</div>
<div><br></div><div><br><br><hr>From: <a href="mailto:jw@558.net">jw@558.net</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:office@ccr-fm.co.uk">office@ccr-fm.co.uk</a>; <a href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a><br>
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 20:22:48 +0000<br>Subject: Re: [cma-l] quick story to tell fellows<br><br>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I think the concept of Community according to OFCOM
need to be re-visit. I believe the licence system need to take into
consideration of the real need to the community. How local is local before it
starts to compete with the commercial sector? And is such
competition always a bad things? How about the need of the dispersed
community? The current licence system does not service communities which are
large in number nationally but not concentrated enough in a single geographical
area to apply for a community licence.<br></font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Joseph Wu</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Spectrum Chinese Programme</font></div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font>
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<div style="font:10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="font:10pt arial;background:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b>
<a rel="nofollow" title="office@ccr-fm.co.uk" href="mailto:office@ccr-fm.co.uk">Office -
ccr-fm</a> </div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="cma-l@commedia.org.uk" href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk">'CMA-L'</a> </div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:54
PM</div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> [cma-l] quick story to tell
fellows</div>
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<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">Dear
All</span></font><BR>
<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt"> </span></font><BR>
<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">Any thoughts on the following
chaps ?</span></font><BR>
<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt"> </span></font><BR>
<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">Last night we ran our youth to
youth project again. Young people from the community get involved in learning
radio skills etc etc etc
.. we had a gang of cubs last night. There are
16 of them all told.</span></font><BR>
<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt"> </span></font><BR>
<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">They have been coming along on a
Wednesday for the last 6 weeks and they enjoy it. Out of the 16
only 4 of
them are listening to Canalside with some of the others (possibly through
habit and influence from parents) listening to the local commercial station
however
as mentioned last week / pointed out / moaned about yet
again / made to look like a professional complainer which I am not
------------ 9 out of the group dont listen because THEY CANT
! some of them live in
Macclesfield, which, as the crow flies is at most 2 miles outside the pathetic
5km limit <> 25 watts etc etc not enough to blow your hat
off I wouldnt mind, but Bollington is surrounded by 2 miles of
fields N/S/E/W surely this area cannot be included in
the figures of the 5km ??</span></font><BR>
<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt"> </span></font><BR>
<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">What is the point providing a
fantastic service that is open and accesible to all and yet the basic
fundamental idea of radio is that you listen to it
. If you cant access it
because the facility or rules are bobbins then the whole shaaa-bang becomes
pointless
flogging dead horses spring to mind. We need help, not
bleedin restrictions.</span></font><BR>
<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt"> </span></font><BR>
<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">It irritates, it frustrates and it
angers all the volunteers and crew at Canalside and we appear to be going
around in circles
.. certainly not making any
progress.</span></font><BR>
<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">These guys get involved
. But
dont stay involved ie:- listening, because they cant
pick it up without hissing and crackling and bloody Key 103 coming over the
top of us.</span></font><BR>
<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt"> </span></font><BR>
<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">Key 103 by the way when I asked
ALL the sixteen cubs Does anyone know
who they
are?
they hadnt a clue !</span></font><BR>
<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt"> </span></font><BR>
<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">So ------------ the question is
.. why the hell can we not be allowed to defend ourselves in our own
community and why in liaison with Ofcom can we not carefully tweak things so
that EVERYONE is permitted to serve their own audience or potential
audience.</span></font><BR>
<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt"> </span></font><BR>
<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">Beggars belief it really
does</span></font><BR>
<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt"> </span></font><BR>
<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">Sorry to moan again
.. but to us
.. this is not parliamentary ivory tower debate, this is on the ground level
real life
wake up and smell the coffee..</span></font><BR>
<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt"> </span></font><BR>
<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">Regards</span></font><BR>
<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt"> </span></font><BR>
<font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">Nick</span></font><BR></div>
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