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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ian and all<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This is my point ………………… we are simply
stating the obvious. I know the rules, I know the consequences and know the
small print on the package. I’m saying that in my opinion it is WRONG ……………… you
appear to be saying you agree with it. I do not have an issue with that, it is
good that we can express our opinions and have a good debate and discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>No prob’s at this end ……………………….. however,
if I go to Tesco’s this afternoon and walk out with some washing powder and a
bag of onions without paying THAT’S THEFT …………………… if I go to the till and
pay for it, and buy it, THAT ISN’T THEFT !<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’ll turn the argument around ……………………..
if Robbie Williams doesn’t want me to buy or play his music that’s fine by me ………….
Don’t go on telly, or radio, don’t record anything and don’t put it up for sale
in the shops !<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If I nip down to HMV tonight and nick
Michael Buble’s new album that is theft on both accounts, especially if I come
back to Canalside and put it on our system and play it out on drivetime ……………………..
but ……………… if I pay for it ……………………. THAT AIN’T THEFT …………………….. sorry !<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>People being told to go and do something
else in this instance won’t help matters ……………. Furthermore, am I now to asume
that you agree with everything that is going on in the sector …….
? if you don’t agree with the inadequate and pitance
community radio fund, then don’t object about it …………… just roll over, accept
it ! you know the rules when you come in …. If you don’t
like it do something else.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It’s a damn good job that through history
people didn’t just ‘’put up with it’’ we’d still be sending
kids of 12 up chimneys.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’m not looking for an argument ………. Honestly
more of playing devils advocate.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Nick ///…………………………….. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
Ian Hickling [mailto:transplanfm@hotmail.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 28 October 2010 08:47<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> office@ccr-fm.co.uk; Bob
Tyler; cma-l<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Community Radio Royalties</span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'> <br>
It's simple Nick.<br>
Putting aside all the flamboyance and emotion, by playing music to an audience
and thereby gaining in one form or another, you're profiting by using someone
else's property - talent - without direct permission.<br>
That's theft.<br>
You may have bought the CD, but you haven't bought the right to make money out
of it for youself without giving back some to the owner.<br>
You'll find that written down officially - usually on the disc and/or the
accompanying packaging material.<br>
That's embodied in the Law of Copyright.<br>
So you pay an agent who in theory returns a proportion of your money to the
artist while taking a commission.<br>
That's a perfectly normal buiness practice.<br>
If you're in the entertainment industry, you are duty bound to be aware of
that.<br>
If you don't like it - do something else.<br>
If you want to change it - set about it in the democratic way through
Parliament, which made the rule in the first place.<br>
If you choose to go against it, prepare to take the consequences.<br>
Like I said - it's simple.<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>From: office@ccr-fm.co.uk<br>
To: bobtyler@btinternet.com; cma-l@commedia.org.uk<br>
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 19:41:38 +0100<br>
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Royalties<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dear All</span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>How about collecting nothing
!? that sounds about fair to me. Sell your records, sell your
music, sell your talent and we will help to promote that and help you sell your
product ………………….. for God sake, don’t bleedin’ well charge me for doing so ??</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’ll say it again …………. Who is doing who
the favour ?</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hyperthetically --------------------
supposing all TV and Radio was speech based ?? they
wouldn’t get anything then ………… and furthermore, their record sales would be
about 10% of what they are now coz’ no one would hear them.</span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I tell you ………………. IT’S A MONEY MAKING
RACKET AGAIN ! We are surrounded by them. And we keep giving in to
them ………… and accepting it ….. WHY ?</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Nick</span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Am I just sounding like a grumpy old man
always complaining
?? I’m not really
like this, but, one or two things revolving around and
relating to radio really do get my gander up !</span></font><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
ROBERT TYLER [mailto:bobtyler@btinternet.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 27 October 2010 14:57<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Office - ccr-fm<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [cma-l] Community
Radio Royalties</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I don’t know what the rates applied to CR are but
think they are fairly nominal and more or less blanket charges.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>The performance and mechanical right goes to the
composer. Royalties through phonographic performance (ppl) generally go to
the record companies. PPL does distribute some 20% of revenues (approx) to
indies through a society call AIM. (see phonographic performance ltd annual
accounts on their website).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Trouble when considering non mainstream music and
hundreds of unknown artists overseas, a system geared to collecting for the
big artists can fail. In my experience, the reality is that any monies to
lesser known or even overseas artists, would be minimal. Say a few pounds
when compared to say what TakeThat will collect in the next 2 years. By nature
the latter being easy to collect and distribute.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>The system is what we have and yes has failings but
both societies might well undertake a joint collection mechanism in the
future. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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--- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Wed, 27/10/10, Office - ccr-fm <i><span
style='font-style:italic'><office@ccr-fm.co.uk></span></i></span></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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From: Office - ccr-fm <office@ccr-fm.co.uk><br>
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Royalties<br>
To: "'Ian Hickling'" <transplanfm@hotmail.com>,
"'CMA-L'" <cma-l@commedia.org.uk><br>
Date: Wednesday, 27 October, 2010, 11:15<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Guess what guys (nongy-nong Nick has got
a comment to make on this … (surprise
surprise?)
Looking at things simply and in laymans terms …. If we applied this rule to
our lives, things would be better for all concerned ….. even the authorities.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Not fully understanding this system???
but rather looking at it as yet another bureaucratic nonsense and nightmare,
I would like to make some observations.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Correct me if I am wrong, but if I go
into a shop and I buy a Robbie Williams song or Katy Perry’s new single …….
Do those artists receive any money from that sale ?? I would argue that they
do
!
how much they get after the agents, the record company, the advertisers, the
sharks, leeches and waterbugs have all had a nibble is possibly anyones guess
?? but ……….. that is certainly none of my business and
quite frankly I couldn’t give a monkeys cuss ! I’ll leave them to
squabble amongst themselves.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We are a NOT-FOR-PROFIT venture, and we
can prove it ……………….. so ……….. the moral of the story is that we ARE NOT
making bucks out of someone elses talent or hard work ….. we are by the very
nature of what we do ‘Radio’ helping these guys raise their
profile and thus promote their music sales.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Someone may say …….. well what about a
pub or a bar and their PRS etc
??
I reply …………….. ‘’yes, but there is a huge difference between about 70 people
in a pub and the potential audience that we broadcast to ! as
I said recently to the gentleman at PRS / PPL ……….. who is doing who the
favour ?? I
said to him, that HE SHOULD BE PAYING ME ! AND NOT THE OTHER WAY
ROUND !
it
is yet another legal debacle that gets right up my nose.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In fact, some people who stick a song on
a jukebox do so because they heard it on CCR ?!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As in this e-mail ping pong some of our
fraturnity/brotherhood state that they use a lot of speech and a lot of music
that ain’t PRS associated ……………… WE PAY for most of our music ………………..
perhaps the PRS could have a word with sony and the likes to start sending
ALL their music to us so at least we can save some money aside to pay them.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>My view is that I’m paying bloody Robbie
Williams (3) (THREE) times !
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>1)</span></font><font
size=1 color=navy><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:navy'>
</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>CCR buys the single = (Robbie receives money)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>2)</span></font><font
size=1 color=navy><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:navy'>
</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>CCR promotes the single = (Robbie receives
profile which = more money)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>3)</span></font><font
size=1 color=navy><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:navy'>
</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>CCR then has to pay dues to the PRS even though
we’ve promoted it and help sell it ! = (loads o’ money, cheers easy, in the
back pocket we go !) </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Mr Williams has a look at us on the
website and sez’ to himself ‘’what
mugs’’ they buy my
record, they promote me and I get a nice little tickle as well from royalties</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>WHAT A BLEEDIN’ JOKE !……………… this runs
along side the fact that we’ve got a community fund that is neither use nor
ornament, rules that have been brought in by Government morons who have got
no idea or bearing as to what is going on around them, ……….. ie:- absolutely
no advertising, absolutely no undue prominence !
there’s another balls-up by the way …………………
Fred Bloggs the window cleaner gives us a donation of a £1000, where as Annie
Goggins the Candlestick maker gives a much smaller donation of £100 …. But we
darn’t say thank you more times to Fred than Annie because of undue
prominence ?? this is NOT undue prominence, it is DUE
PROMINENCE</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Anyway …………… I’m going off piste again
………………………. The point I am making again is this ---------------------</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We are having the peeeee taken out of us
‘big style’ ………. We are being laughed at and insulted, we are being bullied
and all the whinging has to stop. Get your bloody sleeves rolled up and let’s
have a go as a group ….</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I STILL believe there will be a
sympathetic judge somewhere who will sway into our camp ………… I have gone
through the trading laws with a fine tooth comb …. Trust me, there are a hell
of a lot of loop-holes …………… CCR cannot do it alone.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>With reference to the PRS ……………….. I
suggest we tell them to stick that as well and either put a bill into them or
at least come to contra deal. If they want me to pay them then they can
firstly send me the music free of charge or I’ll buy the music and there is
no charge for playing it ………………………….. it’s the old same old same old ……… the
goalposts are being shunted around to suit …….. and all the favours drop on
their side of the court</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Why
?
because we’re all a load of mugs, that’s why ……….</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Finally, so that people understand where
I’m coming from ……. A Commercial Radio Station / a Night Club / a Pub / a
Cruise Ship …………. They are all MONEY MAKING RACKETS AND PROFIT MAKING
VENTURES ……. Possibly they should pay
?!
WE ARE NOT ! AND WE ARE DIFFERENT !</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Oh …….. and absolutely finally …………
Commercial Radio gets all its music for free from the record companies …..
they class us as to small, so we don’t get any.Perhaps the CMA could put them
right on that one as well, and get the sony’s etc to send it to them, for
them to send it to us ………….. I think a little word in Mr Sony’s ear ‘’ 217
Community Stations in the Country’’
I actually don’t think we are small at all
??!
we will then have the spare money to pay Mr PRS.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>‘’Simples
eeeek’’ said the
meerkat
compair the market <> we’re getting a raw deal at the moment
! </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Nick</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk
[mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ian Hickling<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 27 October 2010 08:42<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Peter Vautier; Trevor
Lockwood<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> cma-l<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [cma-l] Community Radio
Royalties</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'> <br>
I'm in a cleft stick here.<br>
I believe that people who make music should be properly rewarded for their
art - but at the same time the present system appears to be illogical,
secretive and unfair.<br>
Has any broadcaster ever told the societies that they're not paying their
exhorbitant arbitrary and unexplained fees and to go ahead and sue?<br>
Bill will know that only last week he managed to ensure that a new
broadcaster was only charged pro-rata for two months' royalties when the
organisation concerned had insisted - would you beleive - on a full 12-month
fee for two months' activity.<br>
Peter raises the point about using music from other countries and how
Royalties are and should be paid.<br>
As I understand it - and I may be quite wrong - there are parallel agreements
throughout the world with other royalty collection agencies.<br>
We provide facilities for stations serving Asian communities and they never
ever pay PRS, MCPS and PPL as far as I can see. <br>
If English-language stations in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region> are required to pay, then why
are these equally-licensed broadcasters apparently exempted because their
music orignated in another country?<br>
Why doesn't Ofcom collect these royalties - if indeed they are fully
authenticated in Law - at the same time as the Licence Fees?<br>
<br>
Ian Hickling<br>
Partner<br>
transplan <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>From: admin@londonhuayu.co.uk<br>
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 17:16:28 +0100<br>
To: trevor@felixstoweradio.co.uk<br>
CC: cma-l@commedia.org.uk<br>
Subject: Re: [cma-l] PRS Community Radio Licence Application and FAQ - your
feedback required<br>
<br>
I'd second that - a very large proportion of our music is from Mainland
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">China</st1:place></st1:country-region>
, which isn't under the PRS/PPL license. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>It would also be good if these artists actually got paid
royalties for their work, since it is so hard to make money from music in <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">China</st1:place></st1:country-region> , and
since the record companies over there have been so supportive by giving us
interviews, etc.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>Peter Vautier</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>London</span></font></st1:place></st1:City><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Chinese
Radio</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:56 AM, <<a
href="http://mc/compose?to=trevor@felixstoweradio.co.uk" target="_blank">trevor@felixstoweradio.co.uk</a>>
wrote:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Bill</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>I was not aware of any stated
policy about the CMA and PRS relationship.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>In the past I've wondered
whether CMA is now large enough to consider creating its own version of PRS,
working with that organisation, but achieving economies of scale by having
one application/funding stream.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>My real concern with the present
system is that at Felixstowe Radio we have a large speech content, and we
also play many tracks from artists that are not yet registered with PRS. Our
output is not specifically recorded by PPL - so we pay them more than we
should, and our artists don't get to sniff the barmaid's apron.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Is it true that the PRS boss
earns £600K?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Trevor</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>----- Original Message -----</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>From: Bill Best</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Sent: 26/10/10 10:38 AM</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>To: <a
href="http://mc/compose?to=cma-l@commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Subject: [cma-l] PRS Community
Radio Licence Application and FAQ - your feedback required</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><pre style='background:white'><font size=1 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:8.5pt'>Hi Jaqui's not available today to address the issues that some of you have recently brought up on the list as she's attending a meeting at DCMS to represent the sector to the Digital Radio Marketing Group. Yesterday Jaqui was at the "Community Radio and Digitally Networked Business" workshop in<br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre style='background:white'><font size=1
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:8.5pt'> Port Talbot and met a number of CMA members there. On 15 October Jaqui and I attended a meeting at PRS for Music to discuss issues around music licensing for the sector - in particular about MCPS rates which have hitherto not yet been charged. PRS will feedback to the CMA about MCPS rates when the relevant PRS board documentation is completed later this week. I'm delighted to say that talks with PRS were productive and the CMA has re-established a positive working dialogue with PRS. In the meantime PRS</span></font><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><font size=1 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:8.5pt'> are currently reviewing their Community Radio documentation in advance of refreshing it with the new licence information and updated PRS rates. Are there any frequently asked questions or items that station managers are particularly interested in that require attention or further explanation? The PRS Community Radio Licence Application and FAQ is here: <a
href="http://bit.ly/dwnsAF" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/dwnsAF</a> Please get back to me with any feedback. Regards Bill -- Community Media Association <a
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