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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Steve and all<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Your comments are not wrong ………….. and
guess what? ….. that job that you used to do in the late 80’s early 90’s ?? I’m
guessing ? I used to do at Piccadilly in the late 70’s (I’m 50)
so I know exactly where you are coming from. In fact, in the seventies it was
even worse … you had to write down every single bit of detail.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Mmm – Needle time ------ I
remember that !<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Also, I am not disagreeing with the
general rate that the CMA have organised for us to pay ……………………… however !
that is NOT my point. We shouldn’t be paying anything
! any organisation or person that is
not-for-profit shouldn’t pay. I would even argue that profit makers shouldn’t
pay either. It is a simple money making racket that some genius thought up back
in the 1920’s and Mr Joe public has been subserviant to it ever since.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’ll state my case again. If I buy a car,
I give Skoda / Fiat (whoever) my money …………… I don’t pay them royalties
everytime I drive it. Likewise with a suit ….. I don’t pay royalties whenever I
wear it. If I am good enough to BUY/PURCHASE their goods / records / talent etc
………… that’s it ! don’t bloody well come back for anymore.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Or, as I have said ………… the PRS can send
us ALL the music of the people they send their money to (FREE) and then we’ll
pay the royalties. Paying both is an absolute rip-off, it is wrong and not
acceptable …………… it’s a money making racket and if people object or refuse they
become labelled as a criminal ……… I ain’t a criminal, I just like things fair
and not biased.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>PRS / PPL etc is a complete and utter joke
of a process and people should stop accepting it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In fact at the moment, they are always
mithering us every quarter about listener hours and audience etc etc (this is
for the internet me thinks ?) I contact Bill at Canstream and he kindly
sends us the info’ ………………… it’s all a load of yet another bureaucratic nonsense
………… it’s all swings and roundabouts because some months we have more speech
based programmes but there is a clause in there that if the hours or figures go
over a certain number, we get billed more. The fact is, we may go over, but we
ain’t playing music.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The whole bleedin’ thing wants scrapping
and those in their Ivory Towers can go out and get a proper job ! instead of
riding along on the back of other peoples backs, stresses and worries.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Too many subserviants in this sector
bow-ing and kow-towing to anyone in a bloody suit ………….. Adolf Hitler wore a
suit …… always remember that.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We are getting kicked from ALL sides.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>By the way ………… possibly a bone of
contention, but worth asking as I genuinely do not know the answer ….. so
please forgive me.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If we (the sector) pay a flat rate fee and
we don’t have to put down needle time, and who played what and when, then PRS /
PPL have to assume that we’ve played Take That / Killers / Amy Winehouse /
Madonna / Madness / Local Artists / Gerry Rafferty / Rolling Stones ……………..
errrr <> GARY GLITTER ! Does he still receive a
tickle ?????? because UNDER MY SYSTEM whereby the artists/writers
etc only receive money from the sales then Mr Glitter might find himself paying
a visit to the soup kitchen this evening ………………………….. in fact there is a
question to ask PRS …… I’ll do it myself ………… is he getting any royalties ??
obviously he isn’t from the big-wigs as they don’t play his songs, but in our
neck of the woods under the present system surely one has to presume that PRS
are paying everyone ?? assuming that we actually play Gary Glitter just a
thought that’s all ----------<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Can anyone shed any light on this
please? Or am I waffling again ??<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Here’s one for you going back to the coverage
discussion. Our local commercial clots are silk …. They have always treated us
as competition and at times the treatment has been quite hostile. We can’t
fight back because we are handicapped and saddled with nonsense …. So we simply
have to stand there and take the barrage …. We’ve now got the other clowns up
the road ‘Imagine’ with their brand new showy offy vehicle’ which is all over
our area like a rash at the moment. There studios and offices and transmitters
have been moved and they are now booming into our area like a crack of thunder.
We now got two wolves at the door. They have now devised a sales diamond as
they call it and they have already nicked the Wilmslow christmas lights switch
on from us. These light switch ons we did for nothing after the other lot about
4 years ago ripped them off and nailed their hats on ……. We have now been
dropped and shafted.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Our signal around the area is garbage and
we are laden and burdoned with ads restrictions etc etc. We are sadly and quite
insultingly viewed as a bit of a mickey mouse outfit when actually we are not
! we are in fact as good as the next man …. But we have no clout …………………………
what is mickey mouse is everything that is going on around us :-<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1)<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Commercial stations whinging and crying to ministers<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2)<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Commercial stations moving the goalpost constantly changing their
formats, moving transmitters etc at the drop of a hat<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3)<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Ad restrictions<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4)<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Paying money making racket organisations loads of money that we
haven’t got and yet we are not for profit<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5)<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Having nitsche and minority audiences and then being told by
sponsors that they can’t give us money because our audience (perception only)
isn’t large enough plus they can’t hear us<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>6)<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Having to go to sponsors in the first place because the fund that
is supposed to support us is about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike !<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>7)<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Being unable to get charity status because the commision simply don’t
understand what we are about …… perhaps the CMA could have a word ?? and get
charity status for the whole sector<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>8)<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Having to deal with that much crap and bureaucracy that the job
which we are supposed to doing doesn’t get done as we are faffing around doing
everything else.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’ll say it again ………. Community radio is
fantastic, it’s fandabby-dozy …… but what goes on around it isn’t and it needs
a serious re-think ……….. and quickly. If people won’t listen and won’t be
reasonable then there are no other options than to get in the boxing ring.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>By the way, have we heard from Ofcom yet
when they will be sending everyone the £300 each from the next round in the
community fund ….. as no one on the message board has objected or come up with
a valid reason as to why this shouldn’t be the case. Perhaps they are afraid of
sticking their head up out of the trench and showing their true colours.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Our organisation is all about fairness,
community and EQUAL opportunities ………….. people receiving different amounts of
money when we are all doing the same thing is simply not acceptable, especially
when it is a fund set up by government and it’s tax payers money. I’d be happy
with £300 if everyone else gets the same. Saves us hours / days / weeks etc
filling in forms. We argue and if necessary ‘’fight’’ the case together to get
the next amount up to £900 each and then £1,500 each and so on !<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Enough moaning again for today …………….. to
many hours wasted writing e-mails half-term this week so
we are OK.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Nick<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
Steve Suttie [mailto:stevensuttie@aol.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 28 October 2010 00:54<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Ian Hickling<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Richard Berry;
office@ccr-fm.co.uk; cma-l<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [cma-l] Community
Radio Music Royalties</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hi, great debate going on here, as ever!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I think that although the rules are very confused, the price that Cr
stations pay for playing music is excellent.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Each station needs its music to play, and the costs involved are
minimal, considering!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>When I was a lad, I was a volunteer at Piccadilly Radio in <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Manchester</st1:place></st1:City>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>My main responsibility (apart from finding pens) was to sit with the
presenter on air<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>and log the explicit details of every song played, with the pen I
found. When I say explicit details... I mean<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>every single publication detail listed on the record, from issue
number, label, label publication number, composer, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>time played, duration of track, promotion company. Piccadilly needed
all this info to send back to the PRS/PPL/ MCPS.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Before all that malarky came in, they only had 9 hours per day of
'needle time' which refers to those old needle things they used<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>before Itunes came out! Any music played out of 'needle time' had to be
royalty free, in fact Piccadilly employed their own band to play <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>session music when the needle was used up.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I'm only 34 so we are not talking about a time too long ago. So, in a
nutshell - we can play anything we fancy, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>without logging each track, for as long as we want for a few grand a
year... Its a good bloody deal! So I think, lets <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>focus back on the funding stuff that will make, or break this sector!
If we push the music licensing agencies too much, we <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>may all be looking for pens again!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Kind Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Steve<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
On 27 Oct 2010, at 15:06, Ian Hickling <<a
href="mailto:transplanfm@hotmail.com">transplanfm@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <br>
If we stick to the underlying principle that musicians should be paid for
the use of their work and that more customer exposure implies more benefit,
then the logical way to organise the tariff would be by listenership.<br>
Simple enough for stations in Rajar, and not beyond the wit of man to gauge the
audience levels of CRs based on their postcode coverage and an agreed
proportion of the allied populations. RSLs would pay a standard lump sum based
on their allocated power and the population density in their notional coverage.<br>
All collected within the same process used for licensing so you just don't get
on air if you don't pay!<br>
The principle of being charged for simply holding and/or copying music as
opposed to actually using it is illogical and unfair and should be
stopped.<br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>From: <a href="mailto:richard.berry@sunderland.ac.uk"></a><a
href="mailto:richard.berry@sunderland.ac.uk">richard.berry@sunderland.ac.uk</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:office@ccr-fm.co.uk"></a><a
href="mailto:office@ccr-fm.co.uk">office@ccr-fm.co.uk</a><br>
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:27:09 +0100<br>
CC: <a href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk"></a><a
href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a><br>
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Royalties<br>
<br>
wow. There's a lot to take in here. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I agree that the system of music royalties in the <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region> is a mess.
The position in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region>
is different, it assumes that if a record in played on the radio people will
buy it. The perception here in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region> is contrary, it assumes if radio
plays a song we won't buy it. It's not helped by the fact that they've still
not sorted out how much we - as a sector - should be paying. Clearly, it can't
be free but equally sharing a ratecard with commercial radio is patently wrong.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Record companies will supply community radio, they supply us very well
and we rarely buy any music. The additional tracks we add, we've bought
ourselves and ripped into the playout system. Of course, what record companies
want are playlists and since that something that isn't always in our culture
then it's not in their interests to send out anything. Of course, if you play
local unsigned acts then this is less of an issue - take a look at what Amazing
Radio are doing and you'll see<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'>Rich<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Senior Lecturer in
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style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Admissions Tutor<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Programme Leader: FdA
Community Radio & BA Radio<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>The David Puttnam
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Campus<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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href="http://www.sunderland.ac.uk/radio" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://www.sunderland.ac.uk/radio">www.sunderland.ac.uk/radio</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Blog:myblogs.sunderland.ac.uk/blogs/radio/<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On 27 Oct 2010, at 11:15, Office - ccr-fm wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span style='word-spacing:0px'>Guess what
guys (nongy-nong Nick has got a comment to make on this … (surprise
surprise?)
Looking at things simply and in laymans terms …. If we applied this rule to our
lives, things would be better for all concerned ….. even the authorities.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Not fully understanding this system??? but
rather looking at it as yet another bureaucratic nonsense and nightmare, I
would like to make some observations.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Correct me if I am wrong, but if I go into
a shop and I buy a Robbie Williams song or Katy Perry’s new single ……. Do those
artists receive any money from that sale ?? I would argue that they do
!
how much they get after the agents, the record company, the advertisers, the
sharks, leeches and waterbugs have all had a nibble is possibly anyones guess
?? but ……….. that is certainly none of my business and quite
frankly I couldn’t give a monkeys cuss ! I’ll leave them to squabble
amongst themselves.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We are a NOT-FOR-PROFIT venture, and we
can prove it ……………….. so ……….. the moral of the story is that we ARE NOT making
bucks out of someone elses talent or hard work ….. we are by the very nature of
what we do ‘Radio’ helping these guys raise their profile and
thus promote their music sales.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Someone may say …….. well what about a pub
or a bar and their PRS etc
??
I reply …………….. ‘’yes, but there is a huge difference between about 70 people
in a pub and the potential audience that we broadcast to !
as I said recently to the
gentleman at PRS / PPL ……….. who is doing who the favour ??
I
said to him, that HE SHOULD BE PAYING ME ! AND NOT THE OTHER WAY
ROUND !
it
is yet another legal debacle that gets right up my nose.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In fact, some people who stick a song on a
jukebox do so because they heard it on CCR ?!</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As in this e-mail ping pong some of our
fraturnity/brotherhood state that they use a lot of speech and a lot of music
that ain’t PRS associated ……………… WE PAY for most of our music ……………….. perhaps
the PRS could have a word with sony and the likes to start sending ALL their
music to us so at least we can save some money aside to pay them.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>My view is that I’m paying bloody Robbie
Williams (3) (THREE) times !
</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>1)</span></font><font
size=1 color=navy><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:navy'> <span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span></span></font><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>CCR buys the single = (Robbie receives money)</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>2)</span></font><font
size=1 color=navy><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:navy'> <span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span></span></font><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>CCR promotes the single = (Robbie receives profile which = more
money)</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>3)</span></font><font
size=1 color=navy><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:navy'> <span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span></span></font><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>CCR then has to pay dues to the PRS even though we’ve promoted it
and help sell it ! = (loads o’ money, cheers easy, in the back pocket we go !)
</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Mr Williams has a look at us on the
website and sez’ to himself ‘’what
mugs’’ they buy my
record, they promote me and I get a nice little tickle as well from royalties</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>WHAT A BLEEDIN’ JOKE !……………… this runs
along side the fact that we’ve got a community fund that is neither use nor
ornament, rules that have been brought in by Government morons who have got no
idea or bearing as to what is going on around them, ……….. ie:- absolutely no
advertising, absolutely no undue prominence !
there’s another balls-up by the way ………………… Fred
Bloggs the window cleaner gives us a donation of a £1000, where as Annie
Goggins the Candlestick maker gives a much smaller donation of £100 …. But we
darn’t say thank you more times to Fred than Annie because of undue prominence
?? this is NOT undue prominence, it is DUE PROMINENCE</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Anyway …………… I’m going off piste again
………………………. The point I am making again is this ---------------------</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We are having the peeeee taken out of us
‘big style’ ………. We are being laughed at and insulted, we are being bullied and
all the whinging has to stop. Get your bloody sleeves rolled up and let’s have
a go as a group ….</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I STILL believe there will be a
sympathetic judge somewhere who will sway into our camp ………… I have gone
through the trading laws with a fine tooth comb …. Trust me, there are a hell
of a lot of loop-holes …………… CCR cannot do it alone.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>With reference to the PRS ……………….. I
suggest we tell them to stick that as well and either put a bill into them or
at least come to contra deal. If they want me to pay them then they can firstly
send me the music free of charge or I’ll buy the music and there is no charge
for playing it ………………………….. it’s the old same old same old ……… the goalposts
are being shunted around to suit …….. and all the favours drop on their side of
the court</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Why
?
because we’re all a load of mugs, that’s why ……….</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Finally, so that people understand where
I’m coming from ……. A Commercial Radio Station / a Night Club / a Pub / a
Cruise Ship …………. They are all MONEY MAKING RACKETS AND PROFIT MAKING VENTURES
……. Possibly they should pay ?!
WE ARE NOT ! AND WE ARE DIFFERENT !</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Oh …….. and absolutely finally …………
Commercial Radio gets all its music for free from the record companies ….. they
class us as to small, so we don’t get any.Perhaps the CMA could put them right
on that one as well, and get the sony’s etc to send it to them, for them to
send it to us ………….. I think a little word in Mr Sony’s ear ‘’ 217 Community
Stations in the
Country’’
I actually don’t think we are small at all
??!
we will then have the spare money to pay Mr PRS.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>‘’Simples
eeeek’’ said the
meerkat
compair the market <> we’re getting a raw deal at the moment
! </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Nick</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
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<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'>
<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span
class=ecxapple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:black'><a
href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk"></a><a
href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a><span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span>[<a
href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk"></a><a
href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk">mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>]<span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of<span class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span></span></b>Ian
Hickling<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b><span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span>27 October 2010 08:42<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b><span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span>Peter Vautier; Trevor Lockwood<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b><span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span>cma-l<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b><span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span>[cma-l] Community Radio Royalties</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <br>
I'm in a cleft stick here.<br>
I believe that people who make music should be properly rewarded for their art
- but at the same time the present system appears to be illogical,
secretive and unfair.<br>
Has any broadcaster ever told the societies that they're not paying their
exhorbitant arbitrary and unexplained fees and to go ahead and sue?<br>
Bill will know that only last week he managed to ensure that a new
broadcaster was only charged pro-rata for two months' royalties when the
organisation concerned had insisted - would you beleive - on a full 12-month
fee for two months' activity.<br>
Peter raises the point about using music from other countries and how Royalties
are and should be paid.<br>
As I understand it - and I may be quite wrong - there are parallel agreements
throughout the world with other royalty collection agencies.<br>
We provide facilities for stations serving Asian communities and they never
ever pay PRS, MCPS and PPL as far as I can see. <br>
If English-language stations in the<span class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region><span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span>are required to pay, then why are
these equally-licensed broadcasters apparently exempted because their music
orignated in another country?<br>
Why doesn't Ofcom collect these royalties - if indeed they are fully
authenticated in Law - at the same time as the Licence Fees?<br>
<br>
Ian Hickling<br>
Partner<br>
transplan<span class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>From:<span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:admin@londonhuayu.co.uk"></a><a
href="mailto:admin@londonhuayu.co.uk">admin@londonhuayu.co.uk</a><br>
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 17:16:28 +0100<br>
To:<span class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:trevor@felixstoweradio.co.uk"></a><a
href="mailto:trevor@felixstoweradio.co.uk">trevor@felixstoweradio.co.uk</a><br>
CC:<span class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk"></a><a href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a><br>
Subject: Re: [cma-l] PRS Community Radio Licence Application and FAQ - your
feedback required<br>
<br>
I'd second that - a very large proportion of our music is from Mainland<span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">China</st1:place></st1:country-region>, which isn't under the
PRS/PPL license. </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>It would also be good if these artists
actually got paid royalties for their work, since it is so hard to make money
from music in<span class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">China</st1:place></st1:country-region>, and
since the record companies over there have been so supportive by giving us
interviews, etc.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>Peter Vautier</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><font size=2
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'>London</span></font></st1:place></st1:City><span
class=ecxapple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'>Chinese Radio</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=ecxmsonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:56 AM, <<a
href="mailto:trevor@felixstoweradio.co.uk"></a><a
href="mailto:trevor@felixstoweradio.co.uk">trevor@felixstoweradio.co.uk</a>>
wrote:</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>Bill</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>I
was not aware of any stated policy about the CMA and PRS relationship.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>In
the past I've wondered whether CMA is now large enough to consider creating its
own version of PRS, working with that organisation, but achieving economies of
scale by having one application/funding stream.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>My
real concern with the present system is that at Felixstowe Radio we have a
large speech content, and we also play many tracks from artists that are not
yet registered with PRS. Our output is not specifically recorded by PPL - so we
pay them more than we should, and our artists don't get to sniff the barmaid's
apron.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>Is
it true that the PRS boss earns £600K?</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>Trevor</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=ecxmsonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><font
size=1 color=black face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>-----
Original Message -----</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>From:
Bill Best</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>Sent:
26/10/10 10:38 AM</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>To:<span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk"></a><a href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>Subject:
[cma-l] PRS Community Radio Licence Application and FAQ - your feedback
required</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div><pre style='background:white'><font size=1 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:8.5pt;color:black'>Hi Jaqui's not available today to address the issues that some of you have recently brought up on the list as she's attending a meeting at DCMS to represent the sector to the Digital Radio Marketing Group. Yesterday Jaqui was at the "Community Radio and Digitally Networked Business" workshop in <st1:place
w:st="on">Port Talbot</st1:place> and met a number of CMA members there. On 15 October Jaqui and I attended a meeting at PRS for Music to discuss issues around music licensing for the sector - in particular about MCPS rates which have hitherto not yet been charged. PRS will feedback to the CMA about MCPS rates when the relevant PRS board documentation is completed later this week. I'm delighted to say that talks with PRS were productive and the CMA has re-established a positive working dialogue with PRS. In the meantime PRS are currently reviewing their Community Radio documentation in advance of refreshing it with the new licence information and updated PRS rates. Are there any frequently asked questions or items that station managers are particularly interested in that require attention or further explanation? The PRS Community Radio Licence Application and FAQ is here: <a
href="http://bit.ly/dwnsAF" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://bit.ly/dwnsAF">http://bit.ly/dwnsAF</a> Please get back to me with any feedback. Regards Bill -- Community Media Association <a
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