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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hi Nick.................and everyone
else!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Let me add a bit of attitude to this "can of
worms"................</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Lets go back to basics. Most of you will know
to your cost that RSL's were just so much more expensive than full time
community licenses and you might well grind your teeth if you've ever had to
write the cheques out to cover these. At two and a half to three grand
music licensing for doing 28 days I've always wondered why no one including the
CMA has challenged the fees that are charged. If you run a community
station on a very modest budget your fees might typically be a fraction of
this. As has been pointed out the licensing system in this country is completely
mad! Why are RSL's hit so hard, simple, because they are a "soft touch",
"a sitting duck" on that ever growing pile of money the music licensers hope to
rake in as the number of radio services grow ever larger to the point where they
outnumber the possible number of listeners! Why has The Office of Fair
Trading never taken an interest? I would suggest that something to that
effect will happen..............eventually. Lets take some simple
examples of fairness........No discount for AM?.......How about a third of the
bandwidth then have a 66% discount..........Double the number of radio stations
then halve the fees that are paid in each case and so on so if we go back a few
years with far fewer stations and cap the "licence fee pot"...................do
the arithmatic because by this time they would probably be paying the radio
stations to play the material not the other way around. Don't get me wrong
in that its quite right for artists to receive a fair remuneration for their
work however many of these would agree that radio airplay, paid for or not, made
their careers take off. Its not suprising to assume therfore that many
aspiring artists would quite happily pay to have their material aired. Having
done so many fundraising RSL's over the last 15 years I hate to think how much
more money we might have given away to good causes had the
licensing system been fairer and I will include "the wider licensing
regime"wiithin that comment. Although we are not to be on the air for some time
yet my attitude is that small and low cost is beautiful. Doing this full
time with a low, low cost base is going to be so cheap compared to RSL's and
will in any case hardly will affect your number of possible listeners.
Perhaps we can start a scheme so that radio stations tell their listeners at any
particular time how much it cost to play any particular record. When spending 5p
for a 45 at a car boot sale we did one time offer our listener the information
that it had just cost us 5p by way of a fee to play it. Perhaps the length of
the offering should figure in the calculation of the fee after all longer
tracks would be deemed to be better value for money if they were all the same
price. I use my wife as an illustration here in that she has
admitted that she bought Dylans "Like a Rolling Stone" on the grounds of
length rather than artistic content! </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Best Regards, Keep it small and
cheap!! Colin Pearse - Susy Radio -
Redhill</FONT> ----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<A title=nick.mallinson@seahavenfm.com
href="mailto:nick.mallinson@seahavenfm.com">Nick Mallinson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=cma-l@commedia.org.uk
href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk">'cma-l'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:35
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [cma-l] Community Radio
Royalties</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I totally agree with
Ian, we should not be profiting from other peoples work and should pay the
PRS/PPL …… but is anyone in community radio making a profit, or even earning a
living from it?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"
lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US> <A
href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</A>
[mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Ian Hickling<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 28 October 2010 08:47<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> office@ccr-fm.co.uk; Bob Tyler;
cma-l<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [cma-l]
Community Radio Royalties</SPAN></FONT><SPAN
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR>It's simple Nick.<BR>Putting
aside all the flamboyance and emotion, by playing music to an audience and
thereby gaining in one form or another, you're profiting by using someone
else's property - talent - without direct permission.<BR>That's theft.<BR>You
may have bought the CD, but you haven't bought the right to make money out of
it for youself without giving back some to the owner.<BR>You'll find that
written down officially - usually on the disc and/or the accompanying
packaging material.<BR>That's embodied in the Law of Copyright.<BR>So you
pay an agent who in theory returns a proportion of your money to the artist
while taking a commission.<BR>That's a perfectly normal buiness
practice.<BR>If you're in the entertainment industry, you are duty bound to be
aware of that.<BR>If you don't like it - do something else.<BR>If you want to
change it - set about it in the democratic way through Parliament, which made
the rule in the first place.<BR>If you choose to go against it, prepare to
take the consequences.<BR>Like I said - it's
simple.<BR> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From: office@ccr-fm.co.uk<BR>To:
bobtyler@btinternet.com; cma-l@commedia.org.uk<BR>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010
19:41:38 +0100<BR>Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio
Royalties<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Dear
All</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">How about collecting
nothing !? that sounds about fair to me. Sell your records, sell
your music, sell your talent and we will help to promote that and help you
sell your product ………………….. for God sake, don’t bleedin’ well charge me for
doing so ??</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I’ll say it again
…………. Who is doing who the favour ?</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2
face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hyperthetically
-------------------- supposing all TV and Radio was speech based
?? they wouldn’t get anything then ………… and
furthermore, their record sales would be about 10% of what they are now coz’
no one would hear them.</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I tell you ……………….
IT’S A MONEY MAKING RACKET AGAIN ! We are surrounded by them. And
we keep giving in to them ………… and accepting it ….. WHY ?</SPAN></FONT><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Nick</SPAN></FONT><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Am I just sounding
like a grumpy old man always complaining
?? I’m not really
like this, but, one or two things revolving around and
relating to radio really do get my gander up !</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2
face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"
lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US> ROBERT TYLER
[mailto:bobtyler@btinternet.com] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 27 October 2010 14:57<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Office - ccr-fm<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [cma-l] Community Radio
Royalties</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I don’t know what the rates applied to CR are
but think they are fairly nominal and more or less blanket
charges.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The performance and mechanical right goes to the
composer. Royalties through phonographic performance (ppl) generally go
to the record companies. PPL does distribute some 20% of revenues
(approx) to indies through a society call AIM. (see phonographic
performance ltd annual accounts on their
website).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Trouble when considering non mainstream music
and hundreds of unknown artists overseas, a system geared to collecting
for the big artists can fail. In my experience, the reality is that any
monies to lesser known or even overseas artists, would be minimal. Say a
few pounds when compared to say what TakeThat will collect in the next 2
years. By nature the latter being easy to collect and
distribute.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The system is what we have and yes has failings
but both societies might well undertake a joint collection mechanism in
the future. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR>--- On <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Wed, 27/10/10, Office - ccr-fm <I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic"><office@ccr-fm.co.uk></SPAN></I></SPAN></B>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>From: Office -
ccr-fm <office@ccr-fm.co.uk><BR>Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community
Radio Royalties<BR>To: "'Ian Hickling'" <transplanfm@hotmail.com>,
"'CMA-L'" <cma-l@commedia.org.uk><BR>Date: Wednesday, 27 October,
2010, 11:15<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Guess what guys
(nongy-nong Nick has got a comment to make on this … (surprise
surprise?)
Looking at things simply and in laymans terms …. If we applied this rule
to our lives, things would be better for all concerned ….. even the
authorities.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Not fully
understanding this system??? but rather looking at it as yet another
bureaucratic nonsense and nightmare, I would like to make some
observations.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Correct me if I
am wrong, but if I go into a shop and I buy a Robbie Williams song or
Katy Perry’s new single ……. Do those artists receive any money from that
sale ?? I would argue that they do
!
how much they get after the agents, the record company, the advertisers,
the sharks, leeches and waterbugs have all had a nibble is possibly
anyones guess ?? but ……….. that is certainly none of
my business and quite frankly I couldn’t give a monkeys cuss !
I’ll leave them to squabble amongst
themselves.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">We are a
NOT-FOR-PROFIT venture, and we can prove it ……………….. so ……….. the moral
of the story is that we ARE NOT making bucks out of someone elses talent
or hard work ….. we are by the very nature of what we do
‘Radio’ helping these guys raise their profile and thus
promote their music sales.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Someone may say
…….. well what about a pub or a bar and their PRS etc
??
I reply …………….. ‘’yes, but there is a huge difference between about 70
people in a pub and the potential audience that we broadcast to !
as I said recently
to the gentleman at PRS / PPL ……….. who is doing who the favour ??
I
said to him, that HE SHOULD BE PAYING ME ! AND NOT THE OTHER
WAY ROUND !
it
is yet another legal debacle that gets right up my
nose.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">In fact, some
people who stick a song on a jukebox do so because they heard it on CCR
?!</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">As in this
e-mail ping pong some of our fraturnity/brotherhood state that they use
a lot of speech and a lot of music that ain’t PRS associated ……………… WE
PAY for most of our music ……………….. perhaps the PRS could have a word
with sony and the likes to start sending ALL their music to us so at
least we can save some money aside to pay
them.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">My view is that
I’m paying bloody Robbie Williams (3) (THREE) times !
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">1)</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=navy size=1><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 7pt">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">CCR buys the
single = (Robbie receives money)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">2)</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=navy size=1><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 7pt">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">CCR promotes
the single = (Robbie receives profile which = more
money)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">3)</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=navy size=1><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 7pt">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">CCR then has to
pay dues to the PRS even though we’ve promoted it and help sell it ! =
(loads o’ money, cheers easy, in the back pocket we go !)
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Mr Williams has
a look at us on the website and sez’ to
himself ‘’what mugs’’
they buy my
record, they promote me and I get a nice little tickle as well from
royalties</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">WHAT A BLEEDIN’
JOKE !……………… this runs along side the fact that we’ve got a community
fund that is neither use nor ornament, rules that have been brought in
by Government morons who have got no idea or bearing as to what is going
on around them, ……….. ie:- absolutely no advertising, absolutely no
undue prominence ! there’s another
balls-up by the way ………………… Fred Bloggs the window cleaner gives us a
donation of a £1000, where as Annie Goggins the Candlestick maker gives
a much smaller donation of £100 …. But we darn’t say thank you more
times to Fred than Annie because of undue prominence ??
this is NOT undue prominence, it is DUE
PROMINENCE</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Anyway ……………
I’m going off piste again ………………………. The point I am making again is this
---------------------</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">We are having
the peeeee taken out of us ‘big style’ ………. We are being laughed at and
insulted, we are being bullied and all the whinging has to stop. Get
your bloody sleeves rolled up and let’s have a go as a group
….</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I STILL believe
there will be a sympathetic judge somewhere who will sway into our camp
………… I have gone through the trading laws with a fine tooth comb ….
Trust me, there are a hell of a lot of loop-holes …………… CCR cannot do it
alone.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">With reference
to the PRS ……………….. I suggest we tell them to stick that as well and
either put a bill into them or at least come to contra deal. If they
want me to pay them then they can firstly send me the music free of
charge or I’ll buy the music and there is no charge for playing it
………………………….. it’s the old same old same old ……… the goalposts are being
shunted around to suit …….. and all the favours drop on their side of
the court</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Why
?
because we’re all a load of mugs, that’s why
……….</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Finally, so
that people understand where I’m coming from ……. A Commercial Radio
Station / a Night Club / a Pub / a Cruise Ship …………. They are all MONEY
MAKING RACKETS AND PROFIT MAKING VENTURES ……. Possibly they should pay
?!
WE ARE NOT ! AND WE ARE DIFFERENT
!</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Oh …….. and
absolutely finally ………… Commercial Radio gets all its music for free
from the record companies ….. they class us as to small, so we don’t get
any.Perhaps the CMA could put them right on that one as well, and get
the sony’s etc to send it to them, for them to send it to us ………….. I
think a little word in Mr Sony’s ear ‘’ 217 Community Stations in the
Country’’
I actually don’t think we are small at all
??!
we will then have the spare money to pay Mr
PRS.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">‘’Simples
eeeek’’ said the
meerkat
compair the market <> we’re getting a raw deal at the moment
! </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Nick</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>
<HR align=center SIZE=2 width="100%">
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold"
lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>
cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk
[mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Ian
Hickling<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 27
October 2010 08:42<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
Peter Vautier; Trevor Lockwood<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> cma-l<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [cma-l] Community Radio
Royalties</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR>I'm in a cleft stick
here.<BR>I believe that people who make music should be properly
rewarded for their art - but at the same time the present system appears
to be illogical, secretive and unfair.<BR>Has any broadcaster ever
told the societies that they're not paying their exhorbitant arbitrary
and unexplained fees and to go ahead and sue?<BR>Bill will know that
only last week he managed to ensure that a new broadcaster was only
charged pro-rata for two months' royalties when the organisation
concerned had insisted - would you beleive - on a full 12-month fee for
two months' activity.<BR>Peter raises the point about using music from
other countries and how Royalties are and should be paid.<BR>As I
understand it - and I may be quite wrong - there are parallel agreements
throughout the world with other royalty collection agencies.<BR>We
provide facilities for stations serving Asian communities and they never
ever pay PRS, MCPS and PPL as far as I can see. <BR>If
English-language stations in the <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region> are
required to pay, then why are these equally-licensed broadcasters
apparently exempted because their music orignated in another
country?<BR>Why doesn't Ofcom collect these royalties - if indeed they
are fully authenticated in Law - at the same time as the Licence
Fees?<BR> <BR>Ian Hickling<BR>Partner<BR>transplan
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region><BR> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
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</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:
admin@londonhuayu.co.uk<BR>Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 17:16:28 +0100<BR>To:
trevor@felixstoweradio.co.uk<BR>CC: cma-l@commedia.org.uk<BR>Subject:
Re: [cma-l] PRS Community Radio Licence Application and FAQ - your
feedback required<BR><BR>I'd second that - a very large proportion
of our music is from Mainland <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">China</st1:place></st1:country-region> , which isn't under the
PRS/PPL license. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">It would also be good if
these artists actually got paid royalties for their work, since it is so
hard to make money from music in <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">China</st1:place></st1:country-region> ,
and since the record companies over there have been so supportive by
giving us interviews, etc.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Peter
Vautier</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><FONT size=2
face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">London</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:City><FONT
size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Chinese Radio</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2
face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at
11:56 AM, <<A
href="http://mc/compose?to=trevor@felixstoweradio.co.uk"
target=_blank>trevor@felixstoweradio.co.uk</A>>
wrote:</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Bill</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=1
face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I was
not aware of any stated policy about the CMA and PRS
relationship.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=1
face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">In the
past I've wondered whether CMA is now large enough to consider creating
its own version of PRS, working with that organisation, but achieving
economies of scale by having one application/funding
stream.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=1
face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">My real
concern with the present system is that at Felixstowe Radio we have a
large speech content, and we also play many tracks from artists that are
not yet registered with PRS. Our output is not specifically recorded by
PPL - so we pay them more than we should, and our artists don't get to
sniff the barmaid's apron.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=1
face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Is it
true that the PRS boss earns £600K?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=1
face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Trevor</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT
size=1 face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----
Original Message -----</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:
Bill Best</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:
26/10/10 10:38 AM</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To: <A
href="http://mc/compose?to=cma-l@commedia.org.uk"
target=_blank>cma-l@commedia.org.uk</A></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject: [cma-l] PRS
Community Radio Licence Application and FAQ - your feedback
required</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=2
face=Verdana><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<DIV><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT size=1 face="Courier New"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 8.5pt">Hi Jaqui's not available today to address the issues that some of you have recently brought up on the list as she's attending a meeting at DCMS to represent the sector to the Digital Radio Marketing Group. Yesterday Jaqui was at the "Community Radio and Digitally Networked Business" workshop in<BR>
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