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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I like Richards comments ……………… I think
his slant sums everything up for me …. That is the difference between the yanks
and us …………. That has got to be the best I’ve heard … I’m chuckling away.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>WE ‘’what what, tally ho tally ho
!’’ the british assume that if it is played on the radio people won’t by it ……
! ? look, that might be the case for Des O’Connor<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And Jedward (Deadwood) but it simply
is not true. And for these clots to be trying to hoodwink us with their system
is a nonsense.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If I go to M&S’s clothing department
next week and by a couple of their top range suits I put money in the pockets
of their shareholders, staff, tailors, suppliers ……… I take my receipt and I
say ‘’thank you very much, have a good day’’ …………………………………….. I don’t go out in
it that evening, and then again on Monday and then to a wedding on Saturday and
christening on Sunday and each time I do I report it to some organisation who
collects royalties from it ………………… bearing in mind, how many times has someone
walked up to you and …………… hey nice suit …… where did you get it from
? they go out and get one. (PROMOTION AGAIN)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I buy a car, I drive it …………… maybe as a
taxi ……………………. ? each time I drive it I don’t pay volkswaggon or skoda or
renault a fee. People see it and maybe think, I like that, I’ll buy one. Who
thought this bloody prs system up in the first place ? they want shooting !<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Like I’ve said …………… who is doing who the
favour ? plus, we are not for profit.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It is time the whole outlook on it was
changed. Changed by democracy …. If not, then by protest. Slavery was accepted
for hundreds and hundreds of years … it didn’t make it right …….. somebody
somewhere had to come forward and say ‘’eh up mate, I think we’ve got this
slightly wrong’’ ‘’the had to fight for what they believed in’’ we know it
was right to, and that is why it has been defeated, beaten, put to bed, got rid
of ………………… people have to be MADE TO LISTEN.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Instead, we get people making little rules
to suit themselves, and everyone else just goes along with it. This PRS / PPL
malarky is nonsense.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>These guys don’t worry me, nor does
nonsense ……….. why ? because what is right and what is correct will always
SHINE THROUGH IN THE END.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thank you ladies and gentlemen ………………. Tell
prs that my bill to them is in the post.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Ian Hickling [mailto:transplanfm@hotmail.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 27 October 2010 15:06<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Richard Berry;
office@ccr-fm.co.uk<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> cma-l<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Community Radio Music
Royalties</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:Tahoma'> <br>
If we stick to the underlying principle that musicians should be paid for
the use of their work and that more customer exposure implies more benefit,
then the logical way to organise the tariff would be by listenership.<br>
Simple enough for stations in Rajar, and not beyond the wit of man to gauge the
audience levels of CRs based on their postcode coverage and an agreed proportion
of the allied populations. RSLs would pay a standard lump sum based on their
allocated power and the population density in their notional coverage.<br>
All collected within the same process used for licensing so you just don't get
on air if you don't pay!<br>
The principle of being charged for simply holding and/or copying music as
opposed to actually using it is illogical and unfair and should be
stopped.<br>
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font-family:Tahoma'>From: richard.berry@sunderland.ac.uk<br>
To: office@ccr-fm.co.uk<br>
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:27:09 +0100<br>
CC: cma-l@commedia.org.uk<br>
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Royalties<br>
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wow. There's a lot to take in here. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>I agree that the system of music royalties in the <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region> is a mess.
The position in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region>
is different, it assumes that if a record in played on the radio people will
buy it. The perception here in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region> is contrary, it assumes if radio
plays a song we won't buy it. It's not helped by the fact that they've still
not sorted out how much we - as a sector - should be paying. Clearly, it can't
be free but equally sharing a ratecard with commercial radio is patently wrong.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>Record companies will supply community radio, they supply
us very well and we rarely buy any music. The additional tracks we add, we've
bought ourselves and ripped into the playout system. Of course, what record
companies want are playlists and since that something that isn't always in our
culture then it's not in their interests to send out anything. Of course, if
you play local unsigned acts then this is less of an issue - take a look at
what Amazing Radio are doing and you'll see<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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guys (nongy-nong Nick has got a comment to make on this … (surprise
surprise?)
Looking at things simply and in laymans terms …. If we applied this rule to our
lives, things would be better for all concerned ….. even the authorities.</span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Not fully understanding this system??? but
rather looking at it as yet another bureaucratic nonsense and nightmare, I
would like to make some observations.</span></font><font color=black><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Correct me if I am wrong, but if I go into
a shop and I buy a Robbie Williams song or Katy Perry’s new single ……. Do those
artists receive any money from that sale ?? I would argue that they do
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how much they get after the agents, the record company, the advertisers, the
sharks, leeches and waterbugs have all had a nibble is possibly anyones guess
?? but ……….. that is certainly none of my business and quite
frankly I couldn’t give a monkeys cuss ! I’ll leave them to squabble
amongst themselves.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We are a NOT-FOR-PROFIT venture, and we
can prove it ……………….. so ……….. the moral of the story is that we ARE NOT making
bucks out of someone elses talent or hard work ….. we are by the very nature of
what we do ‘Radio’ helping these guys raise their profile and
thus promote their music sales.</span></font><font color=black><span
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style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Someone may say …….. well what about a pub
or a bar and their PRS etc
??
I reply …………….. ‘’yes, but there is a huge difference between about 70 people
in a pub and the potential audience that we broadcast to !
as I said recently to the
gentleman at PRS / PPL ……….. who is doing who the favour ??
I
said to him, that HE SHOULD BE PAYING ME ! AND NOT THE OTHER WAY
ROUND ! it
is yet another legal debacle that gets right up my nose.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In fact, some people who stick a song on a
jukebox do so because they heard it on CCR ?!</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As in this e-mail ping pong some of our
fraturnity/brotherhood state that they use a lot of speech and a lot of music
that ain’t PRS associated ……………… WE PAY for most of our music ……………….. perhaps
the PRS could have a word with sony and the likes to start sending ALL their
music to us so at least we can save some money aside to pay them.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>My view is that I’m paying bloody Robbie
Williams (3) (THREE) times !
</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div style='margin-left:36.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>1)</span></font><font
size=1 color=navy><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:navy'> <span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span></span></font><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>CCR buys the single = (Robbie receives money)</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div style='margin-left:36.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>2)</span></font><font
size=1 color=navy><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:navy'> <span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span></span></font><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>CCR promotes the single = (Robbie receives profile which = more
money)</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div style='margin-left:36.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>3)</span></font><font
size=1 color=navy><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:navy'> <span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span></span></font><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>CCR then has to pay dues to the PRS even though we’ve promoted it
and help sell it ! = (loads o’ money, cheers easy, in the back pocket we go !)
</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Mr Williams has a look at us on the
website and sez’ to himself ‘’what
mugs’’ they buy my
record, they promote me and I get a nice little tickle as well from royalties</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>WHAT A BLEEDIN’ JOKE !……………… this runs
along side the fact that we’ve got a community fund that is neither use nor
ornament, rules that have been brought in by Government morons who have got no
idea or bearing as to what is going on around them, ……….. ie:- absolutely no
advertising, absolutely no undue prominence !
there’s another balls-up by the way ………………… Fred
Bloggs the window cleaner gives us a donation of a £1000, where as Annie
Goggins the Candlestick maker gives a much smaller donation of £100 …. But we
darn’t say thank you more times to Fred than Annie because of undue prominence
?? this is NOT undue prominence, it is DUE PROMINENCE</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Anyway …………… I’m going off piste again
………………………. The point I am making again is this ---------------------</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We are having the peeeee taken out of us
‘big style’ ………. We are being laughed at and insulted, we are being bullied and
all the whinging has to stop. Get your bloody sleeves rolled up and let’s have
a go as a group ….</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I STILL believe there will be a sympathetic
judge somewhere who will sway into our camp ………… I have gone through the
trading laws with a fine tooth comb …. Trust me, there are a hell of a lot of
loop-holes …………… CCR cannot do it alone.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>With reference to the PRS ……………….. I
suggest we tell them to stick that as well and either put a bill into them or
at least come to contra deal. If they want me to pay them then they can firstly
send me the music free of charge or I’ll buy the music and there is no charge
for playing it ………………………….. it’s the old same old same old ……… the goalposts
are being shunted around to suit …….. and all the favours drop on their side of
the court</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Why
?
because we’re all a load of mugs, that’s why ……….</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Finally, so that people understand where
I’m coming from ……. A Commercial Radio Station / a Night Club / a Pub / a
Cruise Ship …………. They are all MONEY MAKING RACKETS AND PROFIT MAKING VENTURES
……. Possibly they should pay
?!
WE ARE NOT ! AND WE ARE DIFFERENT !</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Oh …….. and absolutely finally …………
Commercial Radio gets all its music for free from the record companies ….. they
class us as to small, so we don’t get any.Perhaps the CMA could put them right
on that one as well, and get the sony’s etc to send it to them, for them to
send it to us ………….. I think a little word in Mr Sony’s ear ‘’ 217 Community
Stations in the
Country’’
I actually don’t think we are small at all ??!
we will then have the spare money to pay Mr PRS.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>‘’Simples
eeeek’’ said the
meerkat
compair the market <> we’re getting a raw deal at the moment
! </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Nick</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'>
<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center>
</span></font></div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span
class=ecxapple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:black'><a
href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a><span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span>[<a
href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk">mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>]<span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of<span class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span></span></b>Ian
Hickling<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b><span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span>27 October 2010 08:42<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b><span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span>Peter Vautier; Trevor Lockwood<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b><span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span>cma-l<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b><span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span>[cma-l] Community Radio Royalties</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <br>
I'm in a cleft stick here.<br>
I believe that people who make music should be properly rewarded for their art
- but at the same time the present system appears to be illogical,
secretive and unfair.<br>
Has any broadcaster ever told the societies that they're not paying their
exhorbitant arbitrary and unexplained fees and to go ahead and sue?<br>
Bill will know that only last week he managed to ensure that a new
broadcaster was only charged pro-rata for two months' royalties when the
organisation concerned had insisted - would you beleive - on a full 12-month
fee for two months' activity.<br>
Peter raises the point about using music from other countries and how Royalties
are and should be paid.<br>
As I understand it - and I may be quite wrong - there are parallel agreements
throughout the world with other royalty collection agencies.<br>
We provide facilities for stations serving Asian communities and they never
ever pay PRS, MCPS and PPL as far as I can see. <br>
If English-language stations in the<span class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region><span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span>are required to pay, then why are
these equally-licensed broadcasters apparently exempted because their music
orignated in another country?<br>
Why doesn't Ofcom collect these royalties - if indeed they are fully
authenticated in Law - at the same time as the Licence Fees?<br>
<br>
Ian Hickling<br>
Partner<br>
transplan<span class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=2
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'>
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</span></font></div>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>From:<span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:admin@londonhuayu.co.uk">admin@londonhuayu.co.uk</a><br>
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 17:16:28 +0100<br>
To:<span class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:trevor@felixstoweradio.co.uk">trevor@felixstoweradio.co.uk</a><br>
CC:<span class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a><br>
Subject: Re: [cma-l] PRS Community Radio Licence Application and FAQ - your
feedback required<br>
<br>
I'd second that - a very large proportion of our music is from Mainland<span
class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">China</st1:place></st1:country-region>, which isn't under the
PRS/PPL license. </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>It would also be good if these artists
actually got paid royalties for their work, since it is so hard to make money
from music in<span class=ecxapple-converted-space> </span><st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">China</st1:place></st1:country-region>, and
since the record companies over there have been so supportive by giving us
interviews, etc.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>Peter Vautier</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><font size=2
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'>London</span></font></st1:place></st1:City><span
class=ecxapple-converted-space><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'>Chinese Radio</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:56 AM, <<a
href="mailto:trevor@felixstoweradio.co.uk">trevor@felixstoweradio.co.uk</a>>
wrote:</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>Bill</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>I
was not aware of any stated policy about the CMA and PRS relationship.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>In
the past I've wondered whether CMA is now large enough to consider creating its
own version of PRS, working with that organisation, but achieving economies of
scale by having one application/funding stream.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=1 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>My
real concern with the present system is that at Felixstowe Radio we have a
large speech content, and we also play many tracks from artists that are not
yet registered with PRS. Our output is not specifically recorded by PPL - so we
pay them more than we should, and our artists don't get to sniff the barmaid's
apron.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
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style='font-size:8.5pt;color:black'>Hi Jaqui's not available today to address the issues that some of you have recently brought up on the list as she's attending a meeting at DCMS to represent the sector to the Digital Radio Marketing Group. Yesterday Jaqui was at the "Community Radio and Digitally Networked Business" workshop in <st1:place
w:st="on">Port Talbot</st1:place> and met a number of CMA members there. On 15 October Jaqui and I attended a meeting at PRS for Music to discuss issues around music licensing for the sector - in particular about MCPS rates which have hitherto not yet been charged. PRS will feedback to the CMA about MCPS rates when the relevant PRS board documentation is completed later this week. I'm delighted to say that talks with PRS were productive and the CMA has re-established a positive working dialogue with PRS. In the meantime PRS are currently reviewing their Community Radio documentation in advance of refreshing it with the new licence information and updated PRS rates. Are there any frequently asked questions or items that station managers are particularly interested in that require attention or further explanation? The PRS Community Radio Licence Application and FAQ is here: <a
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