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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dear All<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>How about collecting nothing !? that
sounds about fair to me. Sell your records, sell your music, sell your talent
and we will help to promote that and help you sell your product ………………….. for
God sake, don’t bleedin’ well charge me for doing so ??<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’ll say it again …………. Who is doing who
the favour ?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hyperthetically --------------------
supposing all TV and Radio was speech based ?? they wouldn’t get anything
then ………… and furthermore, their record sales would be about 10% of what they
are now coz’ no one would hear them.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I tell you ………………. IT’S A MONEY MAKING
RACKET AGAIN ! We are surrounded by them. And we keep giving in to them …………
and accepting it ….. WHY ?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Nick<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Am I just sounding like a grumpy old man
always complaining ?? I’m not really like this, but, one or two
things revolving around and relating to radio really do get my gander up !<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
ROBERT TYLER [mailto:bobtyler@btinternet.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 27 October 2010 14:57<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Office - ccr-fm<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [cma-l] Community
Radio Royalties</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I don’t know
what the rates applied to CR are but think they are fairly nominal and more
or less blanket charges.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The performance
and mechanical right goes to the composer. Royalties through phonographic
performance (ppl) generally go to the record companies. PPL does distribute
some 20% of revenues (approx) to indies through a society call AIM. (see
phonographic performance ltd annual accounts on their website).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Trouble when
considering non mainstream music and hundreds of unknown artists overseas, a
system geared to collecting for the big artists can fail. In my experience,
the reality is that any monies to lesser known or even overseas artists,
would be minimal. Say a few pounds when compared to say what TakeThat will
collect in the next 2 years. By nature the latter being easy to collect and
distribute.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The system is
what we have and yes has failings but both societies might well undertake a
joint collection mechanism in the future. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
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--- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Wed, 27/10/10, Office - ccr-fm <i><span
style='font-style:italic'><office@ccr-fm.co.uk></span></i></span></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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From: Office - ccr-fm <office@ccr-fm.co.uk><br>
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Royalties<br>
To: "'Ian Hickling'" <transplanfm@hotmail.com>,
"'CMA-L'" <cma-l@commedia.org.uk><br>
Date: Wednesday, 27 October, 2010, 11:15<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Guess what guys
(nongy-nong Nick has got a comment to make on this … (surprise
surprise?)
Looking at things simply and in laymans terms …. If we applied this rule to
our lives, things would be better for all concerned ….. even the authorities.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Not fully understanding
this system??? but rather looking at it as yet another bureaucratic nonsense
and nightmare, I would like to make some observations.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Correct me if I am
wrong, but if I go into a shop and I buy a Robbie Williams song or Katy
Perry’s new single ……. Do those artists receive any money from that sale ?? I
would argue that they do
!
how much they get after the agents, the record company, the advertisers, the
sharks, leeches and waterbugs have all had a nibble is possibly anyones guess
?? but ……….. that is certainly none of my business and
quite frankly I couldn’t give a monkeys cuss ! I’ll leave them to
squabble amongst themselves.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We are a NOT-FOR-PROFIT
venture, and we can prove it ……………….. so ……….. the moral of the story is that
we ARE NOT making bucks out of someone elses talent or hard work ….. we are
by the very nature of what we do ‘Radio’ helping these guys
raise their profile and thus promote their music sales.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Someone may say ……..
well what about a pub or a bar and their PRS etc
??
I reply …………….. ‘’yes, but there is a huge difference between about 70 people
in a pub and the potential audience that we broadcast to !
as I said recently to
the gentleman at PRS / PPL ……….. who is doing who the favour ??
I
said to him, that HE SHOULD BE PAYING ME ! AND NOT THE OTHER WAY
ROUND ! it
is yet another legal debacle that gets right up my nose.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In fact, some people
who stick a song on a jukebox do so because they heard it on CCR ?!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As in this e-mail ping
pong some of our fraturnity/brotherhood state that they use a lot of speech
and a lot of music that ain’t PRS associated ……………… WE PAY for most of our
music ……………….. perhaps the PRS could have a word with sony and the likes to
start sending ALL their music to us so at least we can save some money aside
to pay them.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>My view is that I’m
paying bloody Robbie Williams (3) (THREE) times !
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>1)</span></font><font size=1 color=navy><span style='font-size:
7.0pt;color:navy'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>CCR buys the single = (Robbie receives money)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>2)</span></font><font size=1 color=navy><span style='font-size:
7.0pt;color:navy'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>CCR promotes the single = (Robbie receives profile which = more
money)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>3)</span></font><font size=1 color=navy><span style='font-size:
7.0pt;color:navy'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>CCR then has to pay dues to the PRS even though we’ve promoted it
and help sell it ! = (loads o’ money, cheers easy, in the back pocket we go
!) </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Mr Williams has a look
at us on the website and sez’ to himself
‘’what mugs’’
they buy my record,
they promote me and I get a nice little tickle as well from royalties</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>WHAT A BLEEDIN’ JOKE
!……………… this runs along side the fact that we’ve got a community fund that is
neither use nor ornament, rules that have been brought in by Government
morons who have got no idea or bearing as to what is going on around them,
……….. ie:- absolutely no advertising, absolutely no undue prominence !
there’s another balls-up by the way …………………
Fred Bloggs the window cleaner gives us a donation of a £1000, where as Annie
Goggins the Candlestick maker gives a much smaller donation of £100 …. But we
darn’t say thank you more times to Fred than Annie because of undue
prominence ?? this is NOT undue prominence, it is DUE
PROMINENCE</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Anyway …………… I’m going
off piste again ………………………. The point I am making again is this
---------------------</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We are having the peeeee
taken out of us ‘big style’ ………. We are being laughed at and insulted, we are
being bullied and all the whinging has to stop. Get your bloody sleeves
rolled up and let’s have a go as a group ….</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I STILL believe there
will be a sympathetic judge somewhere who will sway into our camp ………… I have
gone through the trading laws with a fine tooth comb …. Trust me, there are a
hell of a lot of loop-holes …………… CCR cannot do it alone.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>With reference to the
PRS ……………….. I suggest we tell them to stick that as well and either put a
bill into them or at least come to contra deal. If they want me to pay them
then they can firstly send me the music free of charge or I’ll buy the music
and there is no charge for playing it ………………………….. it’s the old same old same
old ……… the goalposts are being shunted around to suit …….. and all the
favours drop on their side of the court</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Why
?
because we’re all a load of mugs, that’s why ……….</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Finally, so that people
understand where I’m coming from ……. A Commercial Radio Station / a Night
Club / a Pub / a Cruise Ship …………. They are all MONEY MAKING RACKETS AND
PROFIT MAKING VENTURES ……. Possibly they should pay
?!
WE ARE NOT ! AND WE ARE DIFFERENT !</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Oh …….. and absolutely
finally ………… Commercial Radio gets all its music for free from the record
companies ….. they class us as to small, so we don’t get any.Perhaps the CMA
could put them right on that one as well, and get the sony’s etc to send it
to them, for them to send it to us ………….. I think a little word in Mr Sony’s
ear ‘’ 217 Community Stations in the
Country’’
I actually don’t think we are small at all
??!
we will then have the spare money to pay Mr PRS.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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eeeek’’ said the
meerkat
compair the market <> we’re getting a raw deal at the moment
! </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk
[mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ian Hickling<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 27 October 2010 08:42<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Peter Vautier; Trevor
Lockwood<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> cma-l<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [cma-l] Community Radio
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I'm in a cleft stick here.<br>
I believe that people who make music should be properly rewarded for their
art - but at the same time the present system appears to be illogical,
secretive and unfair.<br>
Has any broadcaster ever told the societies that they're not paying their
exhorbitant arbitrary and unexplained fees and to go ahead and sue?<br>
Bill will know that only last week he managed to ensure that a new
broadcaster was only charged pro-rata for two months' royalties when the
organisation concerned had insisted - would you beleive - on a full 12-month
fee for two months' activity.<br>
Peter raises the point about using music from other countries and how
Royalties are and should be paid.<br>
As I understand it - and I may be quite wrong - there are parallel agreements
throughout the world with other royalty collection agencies.<br>
We provide facilities for stations serving Asian communities and they never
ever pay PRS, MCPS and PPL as far as I can see. <br>
If English-language stations in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region> are required to pay, then why
are these equally-licensed broadcasters apparently exempted because their
music orignated in another country?<br>
Why doesn't Ofcom collect these royalties - if indeed they are fully
authenticated in Law - at the same time as the Licence Fees?<br>
<br>
Ian Hickling<br>
Partner<br>
transplan <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>From: admin@londonhuayu.co.uk<br>
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 17:16:28 +0100<br>
To: trevor@felixstoweradio.co.uk<br>
CC: cma-l@commedia.org.uk<br>
Subject: Re: [cma-l] PRS Community Radio Licence Application and FAQ - your
feedback required<br>
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I'd second that - a very large proportion of our music is from Mainland
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">China</st1:place></st1:country-region>
, which isn't under the PRS/PPL license. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>It would also be good if these
artists actually got paid royalties for their work, since it is so hard to
make money from music in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">China</st1:place></st1:country-region>
, and since the record companies over there have been so supportive by giving
us interviews, etc.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Peter Vautier</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>London</span></font></st1:place></st1:City><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Chinese
Radio</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv951268884msonormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:56 AM,
<<a href="/mc/compose?to=trevor@felixstoweradio.co.uk" target="_blank"
ymailto="mailto:trevor@felixstoweradio.co.uk">trevor@felixstoweradio.co.uk</a>>
wrote:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv951268884msonormal style='background:white;background-attachment:
scroll;background-position-x:0%;background-position-y:0%'><font size=2
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Bill</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal style='background:white;background-attachment:
scroll;background-position-x:0%;background-position-y:0%'><font size=1
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal style='background:white;background-attachment:
scroll;background-position-x:0%;background-position-y:0%'><font size=2
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>I was not
aware of any stated policy about the CMA and PRS relationship.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal style='background:white;background-attachment:
scroll;background-position-x:0%;background-position-y:0%'><font size=1
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal style='background:white;background-attachment:
scroll;background-position-x:0%;background-position-y:0%'><font size=2
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>In the past
I've wondered whether CMA is now large enough to consider creating its own
version of PRS, working with that organisation, but achieving economies of
scale by having one application/funding stream.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal style='background:white;background-attachment:
scroll;background-position-x:0%;background-position-y:0%'><font size=1
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal style='background:white;background-attachment:
scroll;background-position-x:0%;background-position-y:0%'><font size=2
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>My real
concern with the present system is that at Felixstowe Radio we have a large
speech content, and we also play many tracks from artists that are not yet
registered with PRS. Our output is not specifically recorded by PPL - so we
pay them more than we should, and our artists don't get to sniff the
barmaid's apron.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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scroll;background-position-x:0%;background-position-y:0%'><font size=1
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=yiv951268884msonormal style='background:white;background-attachment:
scroll;background-position-x:0%;background-position-y:0%'><font size=2
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Is it true
that the PRS boss earns £600K?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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Best</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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[cma-l] PRS Community Radio Licence Application and FAQ - your feedback
required</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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0%;background-position-y:0%'><font size=1 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:8.5pt'>Hi Jaqui's not available today to address the issues that some of you have recently brought up on the list as she's attending a meeting at DCMS to represent the sector to the Digital Radio Marketing Group. Yesterday Jaqui was at the "Community Radio and Digitally Networked Business" workshop in<br>
Port Talbot and met a number of CMA members there. On 15 October Jaqui and I attended a meeting at PRS for Music to discuss issues around music licensing for the sector - in particular about MCPS rates which have hitherto not yet been charged. PRS will feedback to the CMA about MCPS rates when the relevant PRS board documentation is completed later this week. I'm delighted to say that talks with PRS were productive and the CMA has re-established a positive working dialogue with PRS. In the meantime PRS<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style='font-size:8.5pt'> are currently reviewing their Community Radio documentation in advance of refreshing it with the new licence information and updated PRS rates. Are there any frequently asked questions or items that station managers are particularly interested in that require attention or further explanation? The PRS Community Radio Licence Application and FAQ is here: <a
href="http://bit.ly/dwnsAF" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/dwnsAF</a> Please get back to me with any feedback. Regards Bill -- Community Media Association <a
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