I think the whole thing discriminates against stations who don't have licenses. In fact, I think the CMA should boycott the whole thing until all CMA members are given a better deal.<br>And the old, old argument that we need Ofcom to monitor our output is soooo patronising! <div>
Maybe someone ought to monitor Ofcom to make sure they don't license any pirate stations...<div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Peter Vautier</div><div>London Chinese Radio</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Tom Buckham <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:t.buckham@futureradio.co.uk">t.buckham@futureradio.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Hi, </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Given than services like Canstream can
provide at least a basic streaming package for around about £300 per annum I’m
a little perplexed as to how a similar figure could be justified, just for ‘placement’
on the Radio Player?</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">After all, surely they will just be
relaying our own web streams (which we already pay for in most cases), so where
is the annual cost (for the BBC) with regards to having each CR station listed?</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">There are some obvious benefits at being
listed, such as the potential to engage with new audiences, but if the cost is
too high the benefits will be outweighed in my opinion.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">In terms of our own views, overall we probably
would pay a fee, but given that the average BBC local station operates on
budgets 50x greater than the average CR station, I’d be a little
resentful and I don’t think the figure should be that high, if at all.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Tom</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="1" color="navy" face="Century Gothic"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Century Gothic";color:navy">Tom Buckham</span></font><br>
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Future Radio</span></font><font color="navy"><span style="color:navy"></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
<a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>jaqui devereux<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> 20 October 2010 10:12<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Bill
Best<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a></span></font></p><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><div class="im"><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [cma-l] BBC
RadioPlayer launch announced - and HD Radio too!</div></font><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Dear all</span></font></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
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Licensed community radio is part of Radio Player but we are still negotiating
with them on the fee to be charged - they will not let our sector be on Radio
Player for free. Figures bandied about are £300 per annum. We are
trying to get them to just charge an initial set up fee, hopefully less than
that amount as once you are on there is no particular reason to charge on a
ongoing basis. We are also discussing with them a much smaller fee anyway
for RSL holders. <br>
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We do think Radio Player is a good idea for our sector to be on but I am sure
you would agree the price has to be right, given that the median income for the
sector is around £69,000 (Ofcom last Annual Report).<br>
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The Player has not actually been launched yet, just the preview at the Radio
Festival yesterday. We will keep you posted re any developments.<br>
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Best wishes<br>
<br>
Jaqui<br>
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Jaqui Devereux<br>
Director, Community Media Association<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On 19 October 2010 18:15, Bill Best
<<a href="mailto:bill.best@commedia.org.uk" target="_blank">bill.best@commedia.org.uk</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi Clive</span></font></p>
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On 19 October 2010 17:51, Clive Glover <<a href="mailto:clive.glover@lineone.net" target="_blank">clive.glover@lineone.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> So the RadioPlayer is coming - but how do we Community stations get on<br>
> board?<br>
> <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11578274" target="_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11578274</a></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Looks like we're already on board:<br>
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More than 400 national, local and community radio stations are to be<br>
streamed by a new online radio player, in an initiative involving the<br>
BBC, Guardian Media Group and Global Radio.<br>
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<a href="http://www.journalism.co.uk/news/new-uk-radioplayer-to-stream-over-400-national-and-local-radio-stations/s2/a536580/" target="_blank">http://www.journalism.co.uk/news/new-uk-radioplayer-to-stream-over-400-national-and-local-radio-stations/s2/a536580/</a><br>
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Jaqui will be able to provide further information about this.<br>
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Regards<br>
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Bill<br>
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