<html><head><base href="x-msg://22/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I am a suspicious person and I wonder if there is another motive here. If the RadioPlayer is a great success like the iPlayer then this will increase the numbers of listeners using a "digital" platform and so accelerate the timetable for "switchover" to DAB. Whatever the merits or otherwise of the DAB platform, DAB only services are greatly desired by the big commercial operators because they will then be on an equal footing to the BBC national services, with Heart, Capital and Smooth all national services going against Radios 1 and 2.<div><br></div><div>Clive Glover</div><div><br><div><div>On 20 Oct 2010, at 01:04, Martin Steers wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">The reason its "licensed stations only" is in some sense so they can rely on and guarantee the quality of the broadcast (as any licensed station should be working within ofcom code etc) they cant be seen promoting un-regulated internet radio.<br><br>I think the radio player is an interesting concept, and would recommend all licensed stations (commerical, student, community and even hospital) to consider being part of it.. there has been alot of talk and hype about the radio player and it this multi-platform / diverse world any and all opportunity for listeners to listen and engage should be embraced.<br><br>Martin<br><br><br>Martin Steers<br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>London Chinese Radio <<a href="mailto:admin@londonhuayu.co.uk">admin@londonhuayu.co.uk</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Penistone FM - Darren Holmes (Station Director) <<a href="mailto:darren.holmes@penistonefm.co.uk">darren.holmes@penistonefm.co.uk</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Cc:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tue, 19 October, 2010 21:28:43<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [cma-l] BBC RadioPlayer launch announced - and HD Radio too!<br></font><br>Seems to me it's just another initiative to tilt the football table away from BBC & other commercial stations' goal. <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">By building an iplayer and promoting it, they are hoping that people aren't going to explore the wild frontier of the internet for alternatives, so they say "only licensed stations need apply" - apply for an<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>internet</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>player?!</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I think the BBC produces some excellent programming and public service for the money, but I don't see why they need to behave like a commercial station, trying to maximise their audience and squeeze out other fledgling businesses. We all know they are there, that should be enough. </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">And then they start whining about Sky.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Peter Vautier</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">London Chinese Radio</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Penistone FM - Darren Holmes (Station Director)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<img fslinker="mailto:darren.holmes@penistonefm.co.uk" fsmarker="chrome://litmus-ff/skin/small/lvl0.png**background-color: ;*0" showhigh="true" id="61870" src="chrome://litmus-ff/skin/small/lvl0.png" border="0" hspace="5" style="position: static; "><a fsmarker="61870" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:darren.holmes@penistonefm.co.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:darren.holmes@penistonefm.co.uk">darren.holmes@penistonefm.co.uk</a>></span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; "><div lang="EN-GB" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; ">Some details here, it seems you just have to be an Ofcom licensed station.</span></font></p><div><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "><img fslinker="http://www.ukradioplayer.info/joining" fsmarker="chrome://litmus-ff/skin/small/lvl0.png**background-color: ;*0" showhigh="true" id="61870" src="chrome://litmus-ff/skin/small/lvl0.png" border="0" hspace="5" style="position: static; "><a fsmarker="61870" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.ukradioplayer.info/joining"><font color="black"><span style="color: windowtext; ">http://www.ukradioplayer.info/joining</span></font></a></span></font></p><div><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">Register your interest.</span></font></p><div><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Thanks</span></font></p><div><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Darren Holmes</span></font></p><p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Station Director</span></font></p><p><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Penistone FM</span></font></p></div><div><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; text-align: center; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; "><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"></span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><img fslinker="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" fsmarker="chrome://litmus-ff/skin/small/lvl0.png**background-color: ;*0" showhigh="true" id="61870" src="chrome://litmus-ff/skin/small/lvl0.png" border="0" hspace="5" style="position: static; "><a fsmarker="61870" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<img fslinker="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" fsmarker="chrome://litmus-ff/skin/small/lvl0.png**background-color: ;*0" showhigh="true" id="61870" src="chrome://litmus-ff/skin/small/lvl0.png" border="0" hspace="5" style="position: static; "><a fsmarker="61870" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Clive Glover<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>19 October 2010 17:51<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>CMA Discussion List List<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[cma-l] BBC RadioPlayer launch announced - and HD Radio too!</span></font><span lang="EN-US"></span></p></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "></div><div class="h5" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">So the RadioPlayer is coming - but how do we Community stations get on board?</span></font></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><img fslinker="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11578274" fsmarker="chrome://litmus-ff/skin/small/lvl2.png**background-color: ;*4" showhigh="true" id="61870" src="chrome://litmus-ff/skin/small/lvl2.png" border="0" hspace="5" style="position: static; "><a fsmarker="61870" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11578274">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11578274</a></span></font></p></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">AND the BBC is launching "HD Radio" as well, apparently a high quality service because DAB isn't any good?</span></font></p></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><img fslinker="http://crave.cnet.co.uk/digitalradio/bbc-launches-hd-radio-dab-has-desperate-thoughts-50001205/" fsmarker="chrome://litmus-ff/skin/small/lvl2.png**background-color: ;*4" showhigh="true" id="61870" src="chrome://litmus-ff/skin/small/lvl2.png" border="0" hspace="5" style="position: static; "><a fsmarker="61870" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://crave.cnet.co.uk/digitalradio/bbc-launches-hd-radio-dab-has-desperate-thoughts-50001205/">http://crave.cnet.co.uk/digitalradio/bbc-launches-hd-radio-dab-has-desperate-thoughts-50001205/</a></span></font></p></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Remember we licence payers are paying for all of this "Public Good"</span></font></p></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Clive Glover</span></font></p></div></div></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br><br>cma-l mailing list -<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><img fslinker="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk" fsmarker="chrome://litmus-ff/skin/small/lvl0.png**background-color: ;*0" showhigh="true" id="61870" src="chrome://litmus-ff/skin/small/lvl0.png" border="0" hspace="5" style="position: static; 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