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Hi Ian,<br>
<br>
You obviously have much more experience in this area that I do,
however the problems we face was through no lack of homework or
research on our part - as we did buy in professional support.<br>
<br>
The problem we face is that Aberdeen is on a hill, with a couple of
river valleys, and the area we serve spans across a number of these
areas. The power we managed to secure reaches some, but not all our
target areas as we had to compromise. (in some directions the
signal can be picked up for 20 miles, in others it doesn't reach our
target community only 2 miles away.<br>
<br>
The limitations which forced the compromise - the 5km guidelines,
and the complaints of the commercial radio stations in the area (who
have complained in writing to Ofcom about our existing insufficient
reach).<br>
<br>
Any support or guidance on how to increase our reach to our target
communities would be gratefully received.<br>
<br>
All the best,<br>
<br>
Murray<br>
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Station Road, Woodside,
Aberdeen AB24 2WB
Tel - 01224 515013
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<br>
Putting the emotive stuff to one side, it seems that all you guys
need to obtain is a good technical analysis of what you need as
opposed to what you have.<br>
There are too many points to address individually, but there are
answers to all of them and feasible solutions to most.<br>
You can apply for more power if you can show that what you have
isn't enough to enable your Key Committments.<br>
You can relocate your transmitter and/or be assigned greater
height if you can show a genuine need.<br>
You could apply for an alternative or additional frequency or for
greater protection if there is a good enough case.<br>
We've found that most problems of this nature - if they're not
just down to bad reporting or poor quality receivers - are the
result of not getting the homework right before you start.<br>
Sorry - but the truth often hurts!<br>
We - and several other companies in the same field - offer such an
analysis and it's generally done without charge on the basis that
we will probably get the job if there's an upgrade to be done.<br>
It's up to you to make the first move!<br>
Ian Hickling<br>
Partner<br>
transplan UK<br>
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To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a><br>
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 13:13:14 +0100<br>
Subject: [cma-l] FW: Community Radio 50% Rules<br>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
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font-weight: bold;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></font></b><font
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font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"> Office - ccr-fm
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:office@ccr-fm.co.uk">mailto:office@ccr-fm.co.uk</a>] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> 11
October 2010 12:45<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
'Julian Mellor'<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
RE: [cma-l] Community Radio 50% Rules</span></font><span
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">Re:-</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">Re
:- Julians e-mail</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">Excellent
point made by Julian ………………… looks like we’re splashing
about in the same boat . ??! taking in
water and the pump can’t cope ! round and round and
round we go with this argument …….. over and over and
over.</span></font></p>
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style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">As
I have said, the discussion is quite simple. We are aware
of lack of frequencies and we are aware that some of us
are lucky to have a frequency at all ………………….. however,
this part of the debate is a red herring and has nothing
to do with the point being made.</span></font></p>
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style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">In
a democracy if someone wishes to listen to Canalside Radio
within our MCA or our TSA (2 miles outside the zone that
we keep having drilled into us) then they should have the
right to, and be able to …………… what shouldn’t be happening
is that the commercial station 2 digits away, is
bleeding over the top ! we are losing potential
listeners, simply because they can’t tune in ………… this is
TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE !</span></font></p>
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style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">We
do not want more height ………… we have no desire to start
‘’chucking our signal’’ all over the north west …………..
what we need is a little more power in order that we can
prevent ourselves being BULLIED AROUND on our own patch.</span></font></p>
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style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">I
would argue that places like South Macclesfield, North
Poynton and East Wilmslow have more in common with
Canalside Radio than they ever do with the likes of bloody
Key 103 which at the end of the day is a Manchester
station ………………. Country bumpkins in North East Cheshire
have absolutely nothing in common with Mancs whatsoever !</span></font></p>
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style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">In
fact ………….. we have been doing some research of our own
over the past 4 months and according to our survey there
ain’t ONE person in Bollington who listens to Key 103
………………….. so ….. WHAT THE HELL’S THAT ALL ABOUT THEN ?</span></font></p>
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style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">We
are on 102.8 ---------- the same as Chorley and Ram in
Derby ------------------------------- there are odd little
spots (behind hills) where we have a little bit of a ‘hand
bags at ten paces’ with the Chorley boys ………… I liaise
with them from time to time. Our signal drifts quite a bit
to the North West, but going south (due to the hills) it
is dreadful ……………. It is reasonable to accept that there
are going to be little issues ………………….</span></font></p>
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style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">I
travelled to Lincoln on Saturday to watch my football team
Macclesfield Town ………………. Goodness knows what signal
strength Ram are on ?? but it is bordering on the
ridiculous ! they are all over Nottingham,
Mansfield, Chesterfield, Worksop etc etc ………………….. and,
……….. furthermore, when we drive over the small hill in
Bollington towards Saltersford, which as the crow flies is
LESS than our 5km allowance ………. We get BLOWN AWAY by Ram
fm in Derby !</span></font></p>
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style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">The
moral of the story is that I am 100% certain that those
community stations who are being bullied off the airwaves
by commercial radio need another 10 – 15 watts to protect
themselves in their own area …………….. they do not need
height, which I believe could open up some more cans of
worms.</span></font></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">Then
again, I am but a mere insect in these matters
?! but possibly correct nonetheless ……………….
If we don’t try it, we’ll never find out.</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">Why
is everything Black and White …………… can we not invent the
odd grey area ? the bill is crying out for it !</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">Regards</span></font></p>
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style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></font></p>
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style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">Nick</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">Forward
this on if you wish ……..</span></font></p>
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face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-family: Tahoma;
font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk">cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk">mailto:cma-l-bounces@mailman.commedia.org.uk</a>] <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Julian
Mellor<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> 11
October 2010 09:18<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> CMA-L<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [cma-l] Community Radio 50% Rules</span></font><span
lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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style="font-size: 12pt;">Stroud's situation is absolutely
mirrored here in Somerset - pesky hills and valleys.</span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 12pt;">Soo at Ofcom tells us that
increasing the height of our transmitter (which they'd
allow) would have a greater impact on reception than
increasing output power, but the landlords aren't happy
with the idea and I suspect the planners might have a
wobbler as well.</span></font></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">Equally we are aware that some
households are amazingly inept when it comes to tuning a
radio and don't realise that trying a different room,
changing position in the room, or just turning the radio
round can make a big difference. </span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 12pt;">That aside though, we can do
nothing when people complain to us about poor reception,
apart from suggest they try the web stream.</span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 12pt;">Perhaps the most frustrating
thing is that a commercial station in Wales (about two
hour's drive from here) that transmits on the waveband
next to ours has a stronger and overpowering signal when
one is listening just a few minutes away from our
studio.</span></font></p>
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2010, at 01:42, claire penketh wrote:</span></font></p>
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style="word-spacing: 0px;"> Absolutely!!!!! Here
in Stroud we have a nightmare
topography of valleys and hills, reception
has been traditionally been really tricky
here, even for the mainstream media.
Despite the fact that there is no
commercial station in Stroud itself, as
Star FM handed back their licence,
and only the ubiquitous Heart blasts from
Gloucester, we had to trim our
transmitters output to just over 20 watts
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but can't pick us up easily. Tricky to
reach the whole community really...</span></font></p>
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