With regards to economies of scale, I agree that most internet streaming is one-listener-one-stream. But multicast technologies are available, and also - dare I say it? - Bit Torrent offers a really workable solution. The problem is, there are too many pirates on the net (ie most "normal" people) who downloaded too much illegal music/video with Bit Torrent, and now it is associated with this, and treated as a pariah. <div>
<br></div><div>But <a href="http://www.bittorrent.com/dna">Bit Torrent DNA</a> offers a real solution, with free, secure, content delivery which does give you economies of scale. It also gives you stats and more. It's just such a pity that things like DAB have been funded when other solutions have received little attention. </div>
<div><br></div><div>The impression I get is that the govt/big cheeses/bbc/commercial radio <i>don't want</i> the internet to be the medium of content delivery, because if that happens, suddenly it's a level playing field, and they can't price us out of the competition by building expensive multiplexes and regulating it with expensive application processes, or restricting available frequencies. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Maybe I'm wrong, it would be nice.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Peter Vautier</div><div>London Chinese Radio</div><div> </div><div><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuFUVLH3Scg">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuFUVLH3Scg</a></div>
<div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuFUVLH3Scg"></a><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Martin Steers <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:martin@martinsteers.co.uk">martin@martinsteers.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div>Internet radio is A future not THE future... a multiplicity of broadcasting is THE future, with analogue, digital radio, internet and what ever the next thing is..</div>
<div><br></div><div>The economies of scale involved in radio broadcasting over the internet just are not feasible in the short or medium term, and already the GSM network are starting to cap mobile phone users on data usage.</div>
<div><br></div><div>To answer the DAB pirates question i suppose its technically possible but logistically impossible due to technical and costs involved, BUT we should be looking into a small DAB transmitter option to cover towns, and smaller areas to enable non big / super regional stations to actually migrate onto DAB.. (but not even sure thats
possible)</div><div><br></div><div>Martin</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Martin Steers</div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><br><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">
<font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Phil Korbel <<a href="mailto:phil.korbel@googlemail.com" target="_blank">phil.korbel@googlemail.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> London Chinese Radio <<a href="mailto:admin@londonhuayu.co.uk" target="_blank">admin@londonhuayu.co.uk</a>><br>
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<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [cma-l] DAB Switchover<br></div></font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>The internet will be the future if that's not being too pedantic.... In other words it will be the best home for community radio once, and only once, the digital dvide has been
crossed by the listeners that we most need to reach - and that sure as #### aint happened yet. So, community radio for the not poor and the not old is fine on the web ....<br>
<br>need I say more....<br><br>bests,<br><br>Phil<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/15 London Chinese Radio <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:admin@londonhuayu.co.uk" target="_blank">admin@londonhuayu.co.uk</a>></span><br>
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I think the "pirates" are already ahead of the wave, on the internet, which in my mind is unstoppable, and what's more since it's not owned by anyone, they are no longer outcasts.<div><br></div><div>I really haven't seen anything to convince me that internet is not the future. And I have been looking.</div>
<div><br><div><br></div><div>Peter Vautier</div><div>London Chinese Radio</div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Julian Mellor <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:julian@10radio.org" target="_blank">julian@10radio.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Out of interest, is it possible to be a digital pirate or are these seas 100% corporate owned?<div>
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