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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hi Lol</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>As always, an email from Lol requires one to stop
what they are doing and have a read. It also reminds me that I owe you a drink,
to have an exchange of ideas and views, and talk radio!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>It would be difficult to argue against some of
the points you have raised in this email, (especially on a Saturday night
and after a day of producing, presenting, training, roadshows, outreach,
and meetings pushing the Hayes FM brand in West London!!) . In many ways,
there is more common ground between you and I than initially meets the
eye.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I would never argue against human rights, and the
need to offer a platform for those for whom there is not a voice and they should
be heard at this sector, of course!! However, I would suggest to you that those
voices are also being heard, and very often and usually on the BBC. That is not
essentially what I am saying. I have been lucky that I have worked
across the BBC, commercial and community sector, so I look at this
from a particular point of view, but by no means an expert view.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>One aspect of what I am trying to say is that
there are some in this sector who are not using the licence for its
intended purpose. I have listened to a lot of output and am just wondering
under what conditions they got the licence and how it marries up against the
application form. Listening to the output, I am wondering where
the cohesion, inclusion or integration is. Indeed, some radio stations are
not even carrying the travel or the news. I suppose in their defence they could
say, as one did say to me, the quality of presentation is not as good as
the old days, as most people on radio want to 'DJ' and not present, let
alone talk, take the travel, talk about local news etc..aahh!! the ipod
generation strikes again!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>So while there can be a broad purpose, it
needs to be more clearly defined, before moving forward. That should be
addressed before any huge amounts of funding. But I take on board what you
said about getting the best deal. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Funding will probably come to this sector, but when
the history is written, it will probably have more to do with negotiations at
government level with real evidence of this sector's value.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Your view on some of the licences given out to
South Asian applications is very true and some practices
are unfortunate. Being of Indian origin, it equally saddens me
that South Asian broadcasting is so poor, at times racist (but then a lot
of commercial radio isn't far off), mostly all the time segregationist, a good
example of giving licences out to communities within a community. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Equally, mainstream, non-'asian' media
has chosen to define the community in one way, in that most 'asians' are
seen as 'religious, mainly muslim' and a bit freaky. To be fair, it is also
part-self inflicted. I have nothing in common with this type of definition, it
is so far on the opposite side of my value system, it's in a different time
zone!!. Equally, at Hayes FM , we have attracted a very sizable South Asian
audience who reject that exact concept whatever their religious heritage, much
to the annoyance of some parts of the community. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Talking about poor, it is not only 'asian's
radio that is poor in delivery, I would argue and evidence that not all sections
of this sector are producing great radio, having heard many, there are some
excellent radio stations across the country, but not all by any means. This
is a separate debate, its subjective but an area that does need to be addressed.
I am off the view that you exact change, be it cohesion, inclusion or
regeneration through popular formats, exactly what happened with popular
music.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Lol, I think you and
I essentially liberal (maybe not politically!!) and secular,
and we have to defend that. Don't forget, historically, where liberals and
secularists worked with traditionalists and religious conservatives, they were
usually hanged when the latter came to power. Radio, I would argue was born
out of that ideal, and the idea of cohesion, integration and inclusion is
the building blocks of that idea, one opium of the free mind. Not everyone
in this sector believes in that, and that is one aspect of what I am saying when
I say not everyone is using the licence for its intended purpose, hence
some of your own observations.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Anyway, how are you, hope you are well, and your
health is well, as last time we spoke you were not so good.I have a lot of
respect for you, so am humbled that you took the time to email through.
Thanks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Take care</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Kindest as always</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><BR>Sutish</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=lolgellor@yahoo.co.uk href="mailto:lolgellor@yahoo.co.uk">LOL
GELLOR</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=office@hayesfm.org
href="mailto:office@hayesfm.org">Office - Hayes FM</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=cma-l@commedia.org.uk
href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk">cmA</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 04, 2009 4:17
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [cma-l] Appeal to all
Station Managers / Project Leaders</DIV>
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<DIV id=yiv594007069>I say Sutish you give life to my observations re
passionate blighters earlier. <BR><BR>Certainly you represent a
pertinent view of the flawed legislation, and certainly I'm from the all
encompassing school - but an important aspect of the fight for
legislation over the years was predicated on the basis of human rights
for those without voices to have a platform that was not mediated or
controlled by mainstream sensibilities - so that they could have a
voice. That means you get the rough with the smooth - depending on your
view of what is rough and what is smooth. Not withstanding that position
clearly the insightful observations you make about the politics and the
current economic client are there to be negotiated as best we
can.<BR><BR>There were a number of people whose interests that were not
adequately reflected in the final legislative scheme of things e.g.
pirates. The subtle aspiration of commercially minded BME groups
with a desire to capacity build into a clear commercial existence
remains a subject we all avoid somewhat. Indeed the history of radio in
the UK aside from the BBC has been driven along a path that required
people to act illegally in pursuit of legal operation - maybe I should
include the BBC ooooh! I digress - the point is we got the best deal we
could in the face of opposition from the Commercial sector and the BBC
in facilitating a chance for anyone who otherwise wouldn't have had a
bat's chance in hell - which ever version of hell they believe
in.<BR><BR>You are a splendid chap - I've met you and I am very
sympathetic to your position and goals around social cohesion, community
involement et al -but still I would defend the rights of those who
I do not agree with to have a go at this crazy little thing called
radio, however myopic. I know I am almost pathologically fluffy in my
own secular liberalism but I'll fight anyone - unless they're bigger
than me and obviously not you - who says we have no room for
anything other than a specific view of what community radio should
be.<BR><BR>I hope this strikes a chord at least to some extent with all
those concerned about the future of community radio.<BR><BR>And on that
note many thanks to those who responded so delightfully to my earlier
foray into the list - you are too kind - especially Karl.<BR><BR>All the
very best to everyone involved in delivering Community Media - even the
ones who don't agree with me.<BR><BR>Lolx
<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 3/9/09, Office - Hayes FM
<I><office@hayesfm.org></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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Office - Hayes FM <office@hayesfm.org><BR>Subject: Re: [cma-l]
Appeal to all Station Managers / Project Leaders<BR>To: "Phil Gibbons"
<phil@bcfm.org.uk>, Stevensuttie@aol.com,
cma-l@commedia.org.uk<BR>Date: Thursday, 3 September, 2009, 11:44
PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>hi Phil</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Just wanted to add my support to Mr Gibbons email.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Read the original email for the first time today, and I honestly
thought it was a joke and a posting from someone with..er... time on
their hands!! </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>On further reading, I found myself thinking, not only how
inappropriate but how naive, but I have to say I felt your anger more
then I did Mr Suttie. While I understand where Mr Suttie may be coming
from, it was wrong, and I do wonder about the quick reply to an
apology, considering the ferocity of opinion expressed. Having said,
emails in support of Mr Suttie were..well, not a lot you can say,
other then..huh!!. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The original email did have an additional effect on
me..it re-affirmed to me how far this sector still is from being taken
seriously, and that is probably one reason why funding is not so
forthcoming. And I can understand why that is. The fault, entirely the
government's in their definition of community, which was given to
OFCOM.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>To be honest, even though I have signed the petition (which I may
now withdraw!!), it is naive to think it will have any effect,
politics does not work like this, especially in the current
timing...if I was in government, though funding should be forthcoming,
I would be reluctant to offer additional funding right now
without real checks and balances, and right now, there's a lot of
checks and balances that need to be made. For me, there are
too many on the CMA list and in the sector as a whole, by no means the
majority but broadcasters that fall into the category of religious
fascists and extremists, political activitists, conspiracy theorists
and simply thugs, and the odd racist thrown in...in other
words, people with no understanding of radio, its
responsibility, its role in the modern world, and the
people we can all be..like I said, thankfully not the majority..I
hope!!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Time I think for a quick snipe at the government...it can't be
right to give licences to a community within a community and
then request that the radio station's remit is community cohesion,
social integration and economic regeneration within that broadcast
reach..doh!!...thankfully not an issue for 91.8 Hayes fm <A
href="http://www.hayesfm.org" rel=nofollow
target=_blank>www.hayesfm.org</A> so get the definition right and then
up the funding and put in appropriate checks and balances!!..</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am sure Steve is a 'great' guy, but he should have known that
such an email will have a negative effect on positive responses to the
petition, and those who supported his email..well...'huh' can't
agree!!..it's not the making of leaders, it doesn't bring
positive change nor does it attract serious discussion or be taken
seriously...radio has a greater responsibility then that...it is not
something that serious broadcasters should attach themselves
to.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Anyway, must go and good to check in with everyone..!!</DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT size=4 face="Lucida Handwriting"><EM>Sutish K Sharma
(Mr)</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT color=#ff0000
face="Arial Rounded MT Bold">Director</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT color=#ff0000 face="Arial Rounded MT Bold">Hayes
FM_Film & Media (inc 91.8 Hayes FM)</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT color=#ff0000 face="Arial Rounded MT Bold">D/L : 020
8573 7992</FONT></EM></DIV>
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<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<A title=phil@bcfm.org.uk rel=nofollow>Phil Gibbons</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B>
<A title=Stevensuttie@aol.com rel=nofollow>Stevensuttie@aol.com</A>
; <A title=cma-l@commedia.org.uk
rel=nofollow>cma-l@commedia.org.uk</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B>
Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:56 PM</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [cma-l] Appeal to all Station Managers / Project Leaders</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Steven,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I'm all for open debate and fully support this forum,
petition and the call for signatures. I do however (as you
fully expected - <FONT color=#ff0000><EM>If you feel that my
outburst is rude, unnecessary, offensive or wide of the mark -
please feel free to mock me and tell me why right here on the CMA
mailing list</EM></FONT>), feel the need to reply to your post, some
comments of which are totally outrageous - unless
of course I have missed the 'irony' in your
comments:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#ff0000><EM>Obviously, the people who are at the
forefront of running community radio are a bunch of lazy, self
serving morons who deserve to be sacked for being so inept that they
cannot even manage to get their people to sign a flipping petition
on a computer! </EM></FONT>Highly abusive, unnecessary and downright
insulting to the many hardworking and committed project and station
managers who work tirelessly with and for the community. Their
people??</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#ff0000><EM>To me it simply demonstrates that the
fortunate people who have inherited the job of running community
radio are lazy, self serving and half hearted.</EM></FONT>
<FONT color=#ff0000><EM>And a bit rubbish actually!</EM> Its an
embarrassment.</FONT> For the record I have been facilitating a
community radio project in Bristol for six years now and am
certainly not lazy, self serving or half hearted, and neither am I a
bit rubbish. Sweeping statements like this do nothing to create a
good cohesive sector. If we embarrass you so much, the factory is
calling you!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#ff0000><EM>But get your bloody finger out and get
the petition signed by ALL your team and partners first. XXX.
</EM></FONT>Doesn't even warrant a response.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If this is the sort of post that is going to be on this
forum then I don't hold much hope for the continuation of
constructive debate. If we can't have decent posts, then I shall
simply unsubscribe from the list.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Please think very seriously before posting damaging and
insulting garbage like this again Steven.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>With slightly fewer regards,</DIV>
<DIV>Phil</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Phil Gibbons - Station Manager<BR><A
rel=nofollow>phil@bcfm.org.uk</A><BR> <BR>Bristol's Community
radio station - Your voice - Your choice!<BR>93.2fm in
Bristol<BR>Online at: <A href="http://www.bcfm.org.uk" rel=nofollow
target=_blank>www.bcfm.org.uk</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ff00ff size=3>WINNERS - Most
innovative project in Bristol Award - VOSCUR Awards
2009</FONT></STRONG><FONT color=#000000
family="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><BR> <BR>0560 1126659 -
Office<BR>0117 9553721 - Studio</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.bcfm.org.uk" rel=nofollow
target=_blank>www.bcfm.org.uk</A><BR> <BR>The Beacon
Centre<BR>City Academy Bristol<BR>Russell Town
Avenue<BR>Bristol<BR>BS5 9JH</DIV>
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Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
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<A title=Stevensuttie@aol.com
rel=nofollow>Stevensuttie@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B>
<A title=cma-l@commedia.org.uk
rel=nofollow>cma-l@commedia.org.uk</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B>
Tuesday, September 01, 2009 9:56 PM</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B>
[cma-l] Appeal to all Station Managers / Project Leaders</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT id=role_document color=#000000 size=2>
<DIV>Hands up if you are sick hearing about the number 10
petition.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Crikey... that's a lot of hands!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Obviously, the people who are at the forefront of running
community radio are a bunch of lazy, self serving morons who
deserve to be sacked for being so inept that they cannot even
manage to get their people to sign a flipping petition on a
computer!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I know first hand how hard it is to manage a community radio
service. Theres not enough hours in the day... theres always
something that still needs doing... and theres always somebody who
needs you to do something that you can't justify the time
for. I guess lots of you are struggling to find the time for this
petition. Indeed, reading this here e-mail.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I see that some of our "colleagues" in Scotland don't want to
sign the petition because they feel aggrieved at Government policy
regarding community radio, and won't see any benefits. (They
weren't moaning when they first got their licenses though?) Some
station managers have not bothered e-mailing their volunteers the
link. But, they've signed it themselves. Some managers haven't
even heard about it?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>My job involves working 7 days a week. I have volunteers
phoning me up "for a chat" at half ten at night! But, despite the
long hours, the hard days, the boring meetings... I know I am
lucky enough to have the best job in the world and I am eternally
grateful to community radio for giving me a chance to get out of
the factory. Community radio has provided me a job where no two
days are the same, where there is always fun and excitement, and
massive rewards, every day. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I particularly love the fact that my job offers me the chance
to get paid for having a great time giving others a great time. I
love it that over 120 people a week have a highlight to look
forward to, and that tens of listeners enjoy listening!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I'm not too arrogant to realise that the factory still exists
and I could go back there at anytime.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I thought that all station managers in the sector would feel
as passionate, and feel fortunate to be in such a bloody
great position. But this official government petition episode
demonstrates that there is a lot of complacent and lackadaisical
people working in, and - more importantly managing community
radio.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>How can any manager not see the benefits in urging their
volunteers, partners, listeners and supporters to sign a petition
that is asking for greater support for the sector? Its absolutely
bonkers that only 2,170 people can be arsed to sign this petition
despite countless reminders, e-mails and phone calls. To me it
simply demonstrates that the fortunate people who have inherited
the job of running community radio are lazy, self serving and
half hearted. And a bit rubbish actually! Its an embarrassment.
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Every station manager, volunteer co-ordinator, chairman,
cleaner et al has a duty to urge EVERY practitioner to sign the
damn petition. Keep the PC on the site and drag EVERY volunteer to
it if needs be. Just bloody do it... or lets all admit that we are
actually quite an embarrassing bunch of bores who can't even get
10% of our people to click a link and press a few keys on a
keyboard.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If you feel that my outburst is rude,
unnecessary, offensive or wide of the mark - please feel free
to mock me and tell me why right here on the CMA mailing
list.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>But get your bloody finger out and get the petition signed by
ALL your team and partners first. XXX</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 family="SANSSERIF"><B>Kindest Regards<BR>Steve
Suttie<BR>Station Manager, 94.4FM Salford City
Radio</B><BR>office<B> 0161 793 2939 </B><BR>mobile <B>07772 355
852</B></FONT><B><FONT color=#ff00ff size=3
family="SANSSERIF"><BR>WINNERS - Community Award - Salford
Business Awards 2009</FONT><FONT color=#000000 size=3
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target=_blank>www.salfordcityradio.org</A></FONT></B><FONT
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