<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><div id="yiv872792155"><div id="yiv1960129826"><div id="yiv594007069">I say Sutish you give life to my observations re passionate blighters earlier. <br><br>Certainly you represent a pertinent view of the flawed legislation, and certainly I'm from the all encompassing school - but an important aspect of the fight for legislation over the years was predicated on the basis of human rights for those without voices to have a platform that was not mediated or controlled by mainstream sensibilities - so that they could have a voice. That means you get the rough with the smooth - depending on your view of what is rough and what is smooth. Not withstanding that position clearly the insightful observations you make about the politics and the current economic client are there to be negotiated as best we can.<br><br>There were a number of people whose interests that were
not adequately reflected in the final legislative scheme of things e.g. pirates. The subtle aspiration of commercially minded BME groups with a desire to
capacity build into a clear commercial existence remains a subject we all avoid somewhat. Indeed the history of radio in the UK aside from the BBC has been driven along a path that required people to act illegally in pursuit of legal operation - maybe I should include the BBC ooooh! I digress - the point is we got the best deal we could in the face of opposition from the Commercial sector and the BBC in facilitating a chance for anyone who otherwise wouldn't have had a bat's chance in hell - which ever version of hell they believe in.<br><br>You are a splendid chap - I've met you and I am very sympathetic to your position and goals around social cohesion, community involement et al -but still I would defend the rights of those who I do not agree with to have a go at this crazy little thing called radio, however myopic. I know I am almost pathologically fluffy in my own secular liberalism but I'll fight anyone - unless they're bigger than me and
obviously not you - who says we have no room for anything other than a specific view of what community radio should be.<br><br>I hope this strikes a chord at least to some extent with all those concerned about the future of community radio.<br><br>And on that note many thanks to those who responded so delightfully to my earlier foray into the list - you are too kind - especially Karl.<br><br>All the very best to everyone involved in delivering Community Media - even the ones who don't agree with me.<br><br>Lolx <br><br><br><br><br><br>--- On <b>Thu, 3/9/09, Office - Hayes FM <i><office@hayesfm.org></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Office - Hayes FM <office@hayesfm.org><br>Subject: Re:
[cma-l] Appeal to all Station Managers / Project Leaders<br>To: "Phil Gibbons" <phil@bcfm.org.uk>, Stevensuttie@aol.com, cma-l@commedia.org.uk<br>Date: Thursday, 3 September, 2009, 11:44 PM<br><br><div id="yiv1751417049">
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<div>hi Phil</div>
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<div>Just wanted to add my support to Mr Gibbons email.</div>
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<div>Read the original email for the first time today, and I honestly thought it
was a joke and a posting from someone with..er... time on their hands!! </div>
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<div>On further reading, I found myself thinking, not only how inappropriate but
how naive, but I have to say I felt your anger more then I did Mr Suttie. While
I understand where Mr Suttie may be coming from, it was wrong, and I do wonder
about the quick reply to an apology, considering the ferocity of opinion
expressed. Having said, emails in support of Mr Suttie were..well, not a lot you
can say, other then..huh!!. </div>
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<div>The original email did have an additional effect on me..it
re-affirmed to me how far this sector still is from being taken seriously, and
that is probably one reason why funding is not so forthcoming. And I can
understand why that is. The fault, entirely the government's in their definition
of community, which was given to OFCOM.</div>
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<div>To be honest, even though I have signed the petition (which I may now
withdraw!!), it is naive to think it will have any effect, politics does not
work like this, especially in the current timing...if I was in government,
though funding should be forthcoming, I would be reluctant to offer
additional funding right now without real checks and balances, and right now,
there's a lot of checks and balances that need to be made. For
me, there are too many on the CMA list and in the sector as a whole, by no
means the majority but broadcasters that fall into the category of religious
fascists and extremists, political activitists, conspiracy theorists and
simply thugs, and the odd racist thrown in...in other words, people
with no understanding of radio, its responsibility, its role in the modern
world, and the people we can all be..like I said, thankfully not the
majority..I hope!!</div>
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<div>Time I think for a quick snipe at the government...it can't be right
to give licences to a community within a community and then request
that the radio station's remit is community cohesion, social integration and
economic regeneration within that broadcast reach..doh!!...thankfully not an
issue for 91.8 Hayes fm <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.hayesfm.org">www.hayesfm.org</a> so
get the definition right and then up the funding and put in appropriate checks
and balances!!..</div>
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<div>I am sure Steve is a 'great' guy, but he should have known that such an
email will have a negative effect on positive responses to the petition, and
those who supported his email..well...'huh' can't agree!!..it's not the
making of leaders, it doesn't bring positive change nor does it attract serious
discussion or be taken seriously...radio has a greater responsibility then
that...it is not something that serious broadcasters should attach
themselves to.</div>
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<div>Anyway, must go and good to check in with everyone..!!</div>
<div><br><font size="4" face="Lucida Handwriting"><em>Sutish K Sharma
(Mr)</em></font></div>
<div><em><font color="#ff0000" face="Arial Rounded MT Bold">Director</font></em></div>
<div><em><font color="#ff0000" face="Arial Rounded MT Bold">Hayes FM_Film &
Media (inc 91.8 Hayes FM)</font></em></div>
<div><em><font color="#ff0000" face="Arial Rounded MT Bold">D/L : 020 8573
7992</font></em></div>
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<div>----- Original Message ----- </div>
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<div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b>
<a rel="nofollow" title="phil@bcfm.org.uk">Phil Gibbons</a>
</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="Stevensuttie@aol.com">Stevensuttie@aol.com</a> ; <a rel="nofollow" title="cma-l@commedia.org.uk">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:56
PM</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cma-l] Appeal to all
Station Managers / Project Leaders</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Steven,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I'm all for open debate and fully support this forum, petition and
the call for signatures. I do however (as you fully expected - <font color="#ff0000"><em>If you feel that my outburst is rude,
unnecessary, offensive or wide of the mark - please feel free to mock me
and tell me why right here on the CMA mailing list</em></font>), feel the need
to reply to your post, some comments of which are totally outrageous - unless
of course I have missed the 'irony' in your comments:</div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color="#ff0000"><em>Obviously, the people who are at the forefront of
running community radio are a bunch of lazy, self serving morons who deserve
to be sacked for being so inept that they cannot even manage to get their
people to sign a flipping petition on a computer! </em></font>Highly abusive,
unnecessary and downright insulting to the many hardworking and committed
project and station managers who work tirelessly with and for the community.
Their people??</div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color="#ff0000"><em>To me it simply demonstrates that the fortunate
people who have inherited the job of running community radio are lazy, self
serving and half hearted.</em></font> <font color="#ff0000"><em>And a bit
rubbish actually!</em> Its an embarrassment.</font> For the record I have
been facilitating a community radio project in Bristol for six years now
and am certainly not lazy, self serving or half hearted, and neither am I a
bit rubbish. Sweeping statements like this do nothing to create a good
cohesive sector. If we embarrass you so much, the factory is calling
you!</div>
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<div><font color="#ff0000"><em>But get your bloody finger out and get the
petition signed by ALL your team and partners first. XXX. </em></font>Doesn't
even warrant a response.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>If this is the sort of post that is going to be on this forum then I
don't hold much hope for the continuation of constructive debate. If we can't
have decent posts, then I shall simply unsubscribe from the list.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Please think very seriously before posting damaging and
insulting garbage like this again Steven.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>With slightly fewer regards,</div>
<div>Phil</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Phil Gibbons - Station Manager<br><a rel="nofollow">phil@bcfm.org.uk</a><br> <br>Bristol's
Community radio station - Your voice - Your choice!<br>93.2fm in
Bristol<br>Online at: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.bcfm.org.uk">www.bcfm.org.uk</a></div>
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<div><strong><font size="3" color="#ff00ff">WINNERS - Most innovative
project in Bristol Award - VOSCUR Awards 2009</font></strong><font family="SANSSERIF" color="#000000"><br></font><br> <br>0560 1126659 - Office<br>0117 9553721 -
Studio</div>
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<div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.bcfm.org.uk">www.bcfm.org.uk</a><br> <br>The
Beacon Centre<br>City Academy Bristol<br>Russell Town Avenue<br>Bristol<br>BS5
9JH</div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b>
<a rel="nofollow" title="Stevensuttie@aol.com">Stevensuttie@aol.com</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="cma-l@commedia.org.uk">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 01, 2009 9:56
PM</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> [cma-l] Appeal to all Station
Managers / Project Leaders</div>
<div><br></div><font id="role_document" size="2" color="#000000">
<div>Hands up if you are sick hearing about the number 10 petition.</div>
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<div>Crikey... that's a lot of hands!</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Obviously, the people who are at the forefront of running community
radio are a bunch of lazy, self serving morons who deserve to be sacked for
being so inept that they cannot even manage to get their people to sign a
flipping petition on a computer!</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I know first hand how hard it is to manage a community radio service.
Theres not enough hours in the day... theres always something that still
needs doing... and theres always somebody who needs you to do something that
you can't justify the time for. I guess lots of you are struggling to
find the time for this petition. Indeed, reading this here e-mail.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I see that some of our "colleagues" in Scotland don't want to sign the
petition because they feel aggrieved at Government policy regarding
community radio, and won't see any benefits. (They weren't moaning when they
first got their licenses though?) Some station managers have not bothered
e-mailing their volunteers the link. But, they've signed it themselves. Some
managers haven't even heard about it?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>My job involves working 7 days a week. I have volunteers phoning me up
"for a chat" at half ten at night! But, despite the long hours, the hard
days, the boring meetings... I know I am lucky enough to have the best job
in the world and I am eternally grateful to community radio for giving me a
chance to get out of the factory. Community radio has provided me a job
where no two days are the same, where there is always fun and excitement,
and massive rewards, every day. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>I particularly love the fact that my job offers me the chance to get
paid for having a great time giving others a great time. I love it that over
120 people a week have a highlight to look forward to, and that tens of
listeners enjoy listening!</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I'm not too arrogant to realise that the factory still exists and I
could go back there at anytime.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I thought that all station managers in the sector would feel as
passionate, and feel fortunate to be in such a bloody great position.
But this official government petition episode demonstrates that there is a
lot of complacent and lackadaisical people working in, and - more
importantly managing community radio.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>How can any manager not see the benefits in urging their volunteers,
partners, listeners and supporters to sign a petition that is asking for
greater support for the sector? Its absolutely bonkers that only 2,170
people can be arsed to sign this petition despite countless reminders,
e-mails and phone calls. To me it simply demonstrates that the fortunate
people who have inherited the job of running community radio are lazy, self
serving and half hearted. And a bit rubbish actually! Its an
embarrassment. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Every station manager, volunteer co-ordinator, chairman, cleaner et al
has a duty to urge EVERY practitioner to sign the damn petition. Keep the PC
on the site and drag EVERY volunteer to it if needs be. Just bloody do it...
or lets all admit that we are actually quite an embarrassing bunch of bores
who can't even get 10% of our people to click a link and press a few keys on
a keyboard.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>If you feel that my outburst is rude, unnecessary, offensive or
wide of the mark - please feel free to mock me and tell me why right here on
the CMA mailing list.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>But get your bloody finger out and get the petition signed by ALL your
team and partners first. XXX</div>
<div> </div>
<div><font family="SANSSERIF" size="3"><b>Kindest
Regards<br>Steve Suttie<br>Station Manager, 94.4FM Salford City
Radio</b><br>office<b> 0161 793 2939 </b><br>mobile <b>07772 355
852</b></font><b><font family="SANSSERIF" size="3" color="#ff00ff"><br>WINNERS - Community Award - Salford Business Awards
2009</font><font family="SANSSERIF" size="3" color="#000000"><br>Visit our Website </font><font family="SANSSERIF" size="5" color="#0000ff"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.salfordcityradio.org/listen.asx">www.salfordcityradio.org</a></font></b><font family="SANSSERIF" size="5" color="#0000ff"></font></div></font>
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