<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Dear Phil,<div>I wonder if this is not indicative of a crisis within the community media sector?</div><div>I don't object to people speaking their minds and agree it is not always pleasant but it doesn't mean it is coming from a bad place.</div><div>It is obvious there is an enormous frustration, I suspect it is mostly to do with external forces and I sense a feeling of helplessness.</div><div>It is clear from some of these emails that people are being overwhelmed and some appear to be turning in on themselves and others.</div><div>I'm not so sure it is more and more debate we need, rather a plan of action, firstly to support those struggling with the crunch at the moment with an eye to more long term sustainability for the sector as a whole.</div><div>A petition may be helpful short term as a kind of stop gap, but it won't cut it long term, the sector is expanding rapidly and the infrastructure which should underpin it has tried very hard to keep up with the pace but faces huge challenges.</div><div>Best wishes,</div><div>Marilyn</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 2 Sep 2009, at 22:56, Phil Gibbons wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div id="role_body" bottommargin="7" bgcolor="#ffffff" leftmargin="7" topmargin="7" rightmargin="7" style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; "><div>Steven,</div><div> </div><div>I'm all for open debate and fully support this forum, petition and the call for signatures. I do however (as you fully expected -<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font color="#ff0000"><em>If you feel that my outburst is rude, unnecessary, offensive or wide of the mark - please feel free to mock me and tell me why right here on the CMA mailing list</em></font>), feel the need to reply to your post, some comments of which are totally outrageous - unless of course I have missed the 'irony' in your comments:</div><div> </div><div><font color="#ff0000"><em>Obviously, the people who are at the forefront of running community radio are a bunch of lazy, self serving morons who deserve to be sacked for being so inept that they cannot even manage to get their people to sign a flipping petition on a computer!<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></em></font>Highly abusive, unnecessary and downright insulting to the many hardworking and committed project and station managers who work tirelessly with and for the community. Their people??</div><div> </div><div><font color="#ff0000"><em>To me it simply demonstrates that the fortunate people who have inherited the job of running community radio are lazy, self serving and half hearted.</em></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font color="#ff0000"><em>And a bit rubbish actually!</em><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Its an embarrassment.</font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>For the record I have been facilitating a community radio project in Bristol for six years now and am certainly not lazy, self serving or half hearted, and neither am I a bit rubbish. Sweeping statements like this do nothing to create a good cohesive sector. If we embarrass you so much, the factory is calling you!</div><div> </div><div><font color="#ff0000"><em>But get your bloody finger out and get the petition signed by ALL your team and partners first. XXX.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></em></font>Doesn't even warrant a response.</div><div> </div><div>If this is the sort of post that is going to be on this forum then I don't hold much hope for the continuation of constructive debate. If we can't have decent posts, then I shall simply unsubscribe from the list.</div><div> </div><div>Please think very seriously before posting damaging and insulting garbage like this again Steven.</div><div> </div><div>With slightly fewer regards,</div><div>Phil</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Phil Gibbons - Station Manager<br><a href="mailto:phil@bcfm.org.uk">phil@bcfm.org.uk</a><br> <br>Bristol's Community radio station - Your voice - Your choice!<br>93.2fm in Bristol<br>Online at:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.bcfm.org.uk">www.bcfm.org.uk</a></div><div> </div><div><strong><font color="#ff00ff" size="3">WINNERS - Most innovative project in Bristol Award - VOSCUR Awards 2009</font></strong><font lang="0" color="#000000" ptsize="12" family="SANSSERIF"><br></font><br> <br>0560 1126659 - Office<br>0117 9553721 - Studio</div><div> </div><div><a href="http://www.bcfm.org.uk">www.bcfm.org.uk</a><br> <br>The Beacon Centre<br>City Academy Bristol<br>Russell Town Avenue<br>Bristol<br>BS5 9JH</div><blockquote style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; margin-right: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-position: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="Stevensuttie@aol.com" href="mailto:Stevensuttie@aol.com">Stevensuttie@aol.com</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="cma-l@commedia.org.uk" href="mailto:cma-l@commedia.org.uk">cma-l@commedia.org.uk</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, September 01, 2009 9:56 PM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[cma-l] Appeal to all Station Managers / Project Leaders</div><div><br></div><font id="role_document" color="#000000" size="2"><div>Hands up if you are sick hearing about the number 10 petition.</div><div> </div><div>Crikey... that's a lot of hands!</div><div> </div><div>Obviously, the people who are at the forefront of running community radio are a bunch of lazy, self serving morons who deserve to be sacked for being so inept that they cannot even manage to get their people to sign a flipping petition on a computer!</div><div> </div><div>I know first hand how hard it is to manage a community radio service. Theres not enough hours in the day... theres always something that still needs doing... and theres always somebody who needs you to do something that you can't justify the time for. I guess lots of you are struggling to find the time for this petition. Indeed, reading this here e-mail.</div><div> </div><div>I see that some of our "colleagues" in Scotland don't want to sign the petition because they feel aggrieved at Government policy regarding community radio, and won't see any benefits. (They weren't moaning when they first got their licenses though?) Some station managers have not bothered e-mailing their volunteers the link. But, they've signed it themselves. Some managers haven't even heard about it?</div><div> </div><div>My job involves working 7 days a week. I have volunteers phoning me up "for a chat" at half ten at night! But, despite the long hours, the hard days, the boring meetings... I know I am lucky enough to have the best job in the world and I am eternally grateful to community radio for giving me a chance to get out of the factory. Community radio has provided me a job where no two days are the same, where there is always fun and excitement, and massive rewards, every day.</div><div> </div><div>I particularly love the fact that my job offers me the chance to get paid for having a great time giving others a great time. I love it that over 120 people a week have a highlight to look forward to, and that tens of listeners enjoy listening!</div><div> </div><div>I'm not too arrogant to realise that the factory still exists and I could go back there at anytime.</div><div> </div><div>I thought that all station managers in the sector would feel as passionate, and feel fortunate to be in such a bloody great position. But this official government petition episode demonstrates that there is a lot of complacent and lackadaisical people working in, and - more importantly managing community radio.</div><div> </div><div>How can any manager not see the benefits in urging their volunteers, partners, listeners and supporters to sign a petition that is asking for greater support for the sector? Its absolutely bonkers that only 2,170 people can be arsed to sign this petition despite countless reminders, e-mails and phone calls. To me it simply demonstrates that the fortunate people who have inherited the job of running community radio are lazy, self serving and half hearted. And a bit rubbish actually! Its an embarrassment.</div><div> </div><div>Every station manager, volunteer co-ordinator, chairman, cleaner et al has a duty to urge EVERY practitioner to sign the damn petition. Keep the PC on the site and drag EVERY volunteer to it if needs be. Just bloody do it... or lets all admit that we are actually quite an embarrassing bunch of bores who can't even get 10% of our people to click a link and press a few keys on a keyboard.</div><div> </div><div>If you feel that my outburst is rude, unnecessary, offensive or wide of the mark - please feel free to mock me and tell me why right here on the CMA mailing list.</div><div> </div><div>But get your bloody finger out and get the petition signed by ALL your team and partners first. 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