[cma-l] Sky/Fox Radio News

Martin Steers martin at martinsteers.co.uk
Mon Mar 20 14:24:11 GMT 2017


Nigel,

I have concerns about the way you do your news.. as you have the national
advert before the local news.. surely thats still "in" the news bulletin.

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On 20 March 2017 at 13:17, admin <admin at edenfm.co.uk> wrote:

> We do similar, on weekdays anyway.
>
> The sequence using Radio News Hub which we find works well for us is:
>
> News In ID
> National News - 1 min
> National advert - 30 seconds
> Local news read 60-90 seconds
> Weather sponsor ID
> Local weather (or national weather outside daytime)
> Station ID out in to music
>
> The beauty of RadioNewsHub for us, is that it comes via Dropbox about five
> minutes to the hour. We have an automated system that updates Myriad. For
> automated hours this means we have updated copy. For the live hours, if the
> presenter doesn't hit the exact top of the hour (ala Sky) it doesn't matter.
>
> The sport, showbiz and business 30 second also auto-update to Myriad, so
> ready for the presenter or again, appear for automated hours.
>
> FWIW
>
> -Nigel-
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> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff) <rhys.phillips at radiocardiff.org>
> *To:* The Community Media Association Discussion List
> <cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 20, 2017 12:20 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] Sky/Fox Radio News
>
> Indeed. We do our own local news so 1min of national news is more than
> sufficient for us!
>
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:18 PM admin <admin at edenfm.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Hi Nick
>>
>> That is not accurate.
>>
>> The top of the hour news is one minute, followed by a 30 second advert.
>> If required, a station can pay extra for the advert to be removed.
>>
>> The sport, business and showbiz and one minute and advert free. It also
>> means that stations can seek a sponsor for those three elements, providing
>> income opportinities.
>>
>> -Nigel-
>>
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Canalside's The Thread <office at thethread.org.uk>
>> *To:* 'The Community Media Association Discussion List'
>> <cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 20, 2017 9:47 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] Sky/Fox Radio News
>>
>> Yes but 1 Minute of it is an advert, you get half a minute news. We have
>> used these guys before (they’re OK)    yes you do get footie and sport and
>> show bizzzz …….. but this is looking at the wider picture …….. providing
>> something for ourselves that we have collective ownership of. OK, it might
>> cost another £50 quid or even £100 quid ……..        but hey
>> ????                 and we look after our CMA and give them some funding.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff) [mailto:rhys.phillips@
>> radiocardiff.org]
>> *Sent:* 19 March 2017 13:00
>> *To:* office at thethread.org.uk; The Community Media Association
>> Discussion List <cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
>> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] Sky/Fox Radio News
>>
>>
>>
>> But we pay Radio News Hub £9.99/month for hourly national news bulletins
>> along with news, sport, business and showbiz updates so it seems what
>> you're suggesting is already available and cheaper than you suggested?
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 7:00 PM Canalside's The Thread <
>> office at thethread.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>> I go back to my original suggestion ……….. I think it’s another one of my
>> pool of suggestions that either get laughed at or ignored (but alas) I feel
>> I am the one speaking the sense (but that’s all down to opinions I suppose)
>> just perhaps one day (we can live in hope)    someone might grasp the
>> nettle, wake up and smell the Coffee and take the Bull by the Horns.
>>
>>
>>
>> We provide ourselves with a National news service which comes from a Hub
>> ….. that could be Sheffield or it could be The Eye or Somer Valley or Bay
>> or even Canalside wherever and/or    whoever feels they can deliver the
>> best and we choose. Everyobody pays a subscription £200 quid a year or £250
>> quid a year which is still cheaper than other news services …. We run a
>> three minute bulletin on the hour  from say 6am till 10pm. I fully accept
>> that not everyone would take it up as some minority Stations have different
>> news ….. but I reckon around 200 maybe ??          that would bring in
>> about £45,000 odd grand ……… we could have a double shift swapping News
>> team    2 x £14,000 grand and the rest goes in the Pot for the CMA.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ll suggest it again in 3 Years time no doubt ……..in the meantime I’ll
>> tootle off and go and p e e in the wind again
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick H Dumpty          keep smiling kids   😊     onwards and upwards
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk [mailto:
>> cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *Richard Berry
>> *Sent:* 18 March 2017 11:08
>> *To:* The Community Media Association Discussion List <
>> cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
>>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] Sky/Fox Radio News
>>
>>
>>
>> A few things on this. This is not a huge change in terms of who is making
>> the news, and I can’t see IRN turning into Fox news overnight. For one
>> thing the rules around bias and impartiality will apply, whilst they would
>> not impact on SRN/IRN if there were to be an issue, they are contractually
>> required to supply a compliant service to their clients (ie us). I seem to
>> recall that when this came round last time it was suggested that Sky news
>> could be placed in an independent arms-length trust to ensure that there
>> was cross contamination from the newspaper business. This may well come
>> round again. Of course, as IRN is effectively owned by the commercial radio
>> companies, although News Corp own around 4% via their ownership of Wireless
>> Group. So, in effect the owners could move the licence to whoever they want
>> when it comes up for renewal.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk [
>> mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
>> <cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk>] *On Behalf Of *Ian Hickling
>> *Sent:* 18 March 2017 08:01
>> *To:* The Community Media Association Discussion List
>> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] Sky/Fox Radio News
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ofcom's predilection appears to be whether the move will affect plurality
>> of news sources.
>>
>> The blatantly obvious answer would appear to be that it will.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ian Hickling
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>> *From:* cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk <cma-l-bounces at mailman.
>> commedia.org.uk> on behalf of Rhys Phillips (Radio Cardiff) <
>> rhys.phillips at radiocardiff.org>
>> *Sent:* 17 March 2017 20:30:33
>> *To:* The Community Media Association Discussion List
>> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] Sky/Fox Radio News
>>
>>
>>
>> It's also not true that all stations are either BBC or Sky. Global do
>> their own news, Jazz FM does it's own on breakfast, a bunch use Radio News
>> Hub etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 5:22 PM Clive Glover <clive.glover at lineone.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> Very good point!
>>
>>
>>
>> I think it is not quite so clear cut though. Strictly we are using IRN
>> which has been contracted out to Sky News so editorial policy should still
>> be dictated by IRN (although to be fair Sky News is pretty well balanced -
>> as much as ITN for example).
>>
>>
>>
>> However if it was a case of Fox News taking over that would definitely be
>> an issue!
>>
>>
>>
>> We should probably all take the opportunity to comment to OFCOM about
>> this so they may add in a condition relating to the independence of
>> national/local radio news services.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Clive Glover
>>
>>
>>
>> On 17 Mar 2017, at 16:07, Bob Tyler wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> The recent announcement regarding the proposed take over of Sky by Fox,
>>  I believe has some implications for radio in the UK.
>>
>>
>>
>> Should this go ahead the news on UK radio would come from just two
>> sources; The BBC and the Murdoch owned SKY News (radio).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ofcom has today published a guidance note
>> <http://ofcom.createsend1.com/t/i-l-uiikhrt-ptyutuhh-h/> setting out the
>> process and timetable for preparing our report on the public interest
>> considerations set out by the Secretary of State. Ofcom has also published
>> an invitation to comment
>> <http://ofcom.createsend1.com/t/i-l-uiikhrt-ptyutuhh-k/> and invites
>> written submissions to be sent to Publicinteresttest2017 at ofcom.org.u
>> <http://mailto:Publicinteresttest2017@ofcom.org.u/>k  by *30 March 2017*.
>>
>>
>>
>> The regulator has also invited comments invited comments under its fit
>> and proper duty.
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> Please take a look.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
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