[cma-l] update DAB

Tue Jul 18 13:13:05 BST 2017

Tony

I think equal coverage on FM would be better for starters   😊     LOL     or at least being able to hear it INSIDE a Building 4 Miles away, and not getting itches, crackles and scratches from Heart who broadcast out of Welshpool.  Still, we’ve lumbered along now for nearly ten years and we’re possibly stuck with it (we do have an option but it costs money)                    at least with what you are saying, for the first time in this Radio Bill since 2002/03 we’veactually got a possibility where the playing field is level ……….. woo-hoo   I’ll just pop outside and throw my Hat in the air.

DAB    maybe not a bad thing after all   😊

Nick

From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk [mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of Tony Bailey
Sent: 18 July 2017 11:03
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Subject: Re: [cma-l] update DAB

The words "Small Scale" are a clue - think Sallie - from the ranks of which came opposition to DAB national or local, mainly on cost (but probably also coverage) grounds.  It's not surprising that they had some input to the SSDAB proposals as thereby exists the opportunity to completely abandon FM when the time comes.  The recent legislation is supposed to be confined to multiplex licensing but notes to the bill suggest a knock on to the digital programme licences.  Presumably the guarantee of a community slot will carry with it the CR licence conditions.  Opens up the question of do you abandon that in favour of a "commercial community slot"?

Nick, 

The feasibility study for SSDAB which sites mpx at the existing community and commercial locations has one each in your location, for "The Thread" and "Silk FM" so presumably you can get equal coverage!  Hopefully it will be affordable....

Regards,  Tony Bailey

On 17/07/17 16:15, Alex Gray, Two Lochs Radio wrote:

Nick

There most definitely are ‘small’ (indeed super-micro) commercial stations that are also community broadcasters. We are one of them! 

Community radio in the UK started out in the Highlands and Islands of Scotland long before the Radio Authority developed community radio licensing as such, and so we all had no option but to go for full commercial licences. Despite being commercially licensed, we are constituted not for profit, volunteer staffed, and operating solely for community benefit, and all are wholly local, independent of any larger radio groupings.

I think there are a number of small actually commercial stations that are independent and locally-based, that could make perfectly acceptable partners in an SSDAB multiplex.

Alex

PS There is also another potential partner here in the northwest – the BBC! In Scotland the BBC’s multiplexes do not have sufficient capacity even for their own national services (bear in mind we have six BBC national services here, not four). In more urban areas they get around this by renting additional capacity on the commercial multiplexes, but there are no commercial multiplexes in the less populated areas, so we do not get all the BBC services on DAB. Renting out capacity to the (non-profit) BBC could significantly improve the viability of SSDAB in remote areas, just as in some other areas sharing with small independent commercial stations could.

From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk <mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk>  [mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of Canalside Community Radio Ltd
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Subject: [cma-l] update DAB

Dear All (FAO – Mike / Nigel / David

I have found the section that aroused the ‘been thinking’

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This study finally considers the possible extension of small scale small scale DAB to the whole of the UK. Our approach has been to group existing analogue Community radio and small commercial radio services by area, with a view to examining the technical feasibility of developing a frequency plan which would allow them to be carried on small scale DAB

I was clearly somewhat confused by the           ‘’’and small commercial radio services’’’       ?               I didn’t write this, Ofcom did.

The thinking was the same as it has always been --- either one is a Community Broadcaster or a Commercial Broadcaster (you can’t be both)      if Small Scale DAB was Community Radio FM/AM/Internet      then I just took it as read. No need to go scrolling through Bills or listening to debates.

As I put in one of my posts, I did ask a question to which there was no reply or answer. The question was :-     I don’t think there are any (as such) small Commercial FM Stations ?  they don’t exist. I use the analogy because in the case of selective memory loss, this was one of the original arguments in relation to restrictions. Commercial Stations claiming that they were ‘’’small’’’    ‘’’tiny’’’’      and that their commercial viability was threatened. This was happening even though many of them were part of larger groups. These numbers have changed dramatically over the years, with nearly ALL Commercial Stations now part of bigger conglomerates.

So in a Nutshell and in relation to this whole debate, there are no small Commercial Stations, they may claim to be, but that’s a matter of opinion.

Sorry to everyone for appearing to be argumentative, but I felt clarification was needed as I thought Small Scale DAB was for Small Scale FM/AM     ie:- Community Radio              I saw it as ‘foot in the door’ …. possibly the back door 

Here endeth the debate, I’ll go and sit in the naughty boys corner again and get on with some work as the Students have just arrived. Also, when you have a dug a big hole for yourself, as the saying says ‘’stop digging’’    sadly I don’t feel I am in a hole, anything but.

Let’s have the discussion again in 12 months time and see how the land lies, there are only two options, it will either be all hunky dory in the garden or it will have gone slightly off-piste …. Trouble is it will be too late to get it back on-piste.

Onwards and Upwards.

Nick

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