[cma-l] Location - Location - Location ?
admin
admin at edenfm.co.uk
Tue Jan 3 08:36:28 GMT 2017
Ian
If you don't start with a good location, the rest is academic.
As a radio ham for some 50 years, I do have an understanding of this thank you.
-Nigel-
Eden FM Radio Ltd
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Studio: 01768 899 107
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----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Hickling
To: The Community Media Association Discussion List ; admin at edenfm.co.uk ; Neil Munday
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 1:46 PM
Subject: Location - Location - Location ?
Not in my 55 years' experience - no - not solely location.
Topography
Elevation
Polarity
Antenna configuration
Propagation aperture
Fresnel/Brewster effects
Processing
- and something money can't buy - Intuition
Ian Hickling
Partner
Office: 016 3557 8435 (07h to 22h GTS)
Car: 075 3098 0115 (only responds when driving)
6 Horn Street, Compton, NEWBURY, RG20 6QS
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Sent: 02 January 2017 09:03:29
To: The Community Media Association Discussion List
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Ofcom extends Susy Radio's licence until 2022
Hi Neil
Transmission can be a tricky and interesting topic. To steal a TV programme title, it is all about Location, Location, Location.
I expect to be down in the spring - will give you a call and see if we can fit in that beer.
Cheers.
-Nigel-
Eden FM Radio Ltd
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----- Original Message -----
From: Neil Munday
To: The Community Media Association Discussion List
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2017 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Ofcom extends Susy Radio's licence until 2022
Hi Nigel
Good to hear from you and a Happy New Year to our friends at Eden fm Penrith!
I'm a little out of touch with Ofcom directly as my Colleague is our direct liaison officially. Keeps it simple!
I have discussions at an engineering level occasionally, when needs must for some pointers, but that's all.
This Q of 5km rattles around and around. And we both know from various sites it can become tricky with finding a good location to place a transmitter and antenna without good accessibility and horrendous fees! Sometimes to keep moving locations constantly changes the coverage, costs money and can have disastrous consequences when a vital piece of kit fails in the process.
Anyway something to discuss over a jar next time we meet!
Regards to all and I hope that Cumbria has a good winter this year.
Neil
On Sun, 1 Jan 2017 at 17:21, admin <admin at edenfm.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Neil
Happy New Year to the Susy
gang.
<<If not re calculate, re
adjust coatings and apply for a change. >?>
Changes are not up
for discussion with Ofcom at present.
After the
consultation results are reported, we will know where/when on the list
changes be requested. My guess is that is some time away.
Before that,
there is no option to discuss any
changes.
Cheers.
-Nigel-
Eden FM Radio Ltd
Office : 01786 899 101
Studio: 01768 899
107
Web: www.edenfm.co.uk
Twitter:
@EdenFmRadio
Facebook : @edenfmonline
Mostyn Hall, Friargate, Penrith CA11 7XP
----- Original Message -----
From:
Neil Munday
To: The Community Media Association
Discussion List
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 9:19
AM
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Ofcom extends Susy
Radio's licence until 2022
Thank you Ian, a better than good application included an extensive
coverage business model. Ours was based on 20 plus years of RSL experience
covering the same area from the same tx site on FM and from a second site in
AM. How we work within the community, what we have and are giving back to the
community etc ...
The business model is not static either it has to evolve as the station
evolves, readjusting the parameters.
Back to coverage
Did you do your calculations correctly
Did you allow for losses in cables
Are you using Vertical and Horizontal transmission (this does not mean
two antenna by the way).
Is your tx site in the best possible place to get max coverage without
being blocked by other hills, mountains etc
Do an assessment. Drive around with the worst car radio you have and
listen.
If not re calculate, re adjust coatings and apply for a
change.
Best wishes for the new year.
Neil
Ps
If there is any CR who would like to visit or ask a question then please
do. It has always been our policy to try and assist others if we can. I can
explain the basics but can try and arrange for our transmission engineer
to be available at your visit or find out a more detailed answer if one is
required!
We have given offers of help and or advice to or engineering support to
several CR stations and several pop up RSLs over the years country
wide.
N
On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 at 20:39, Ian Hickling <transplanfm at hotmail.com>
wrote:
Nick
I think we may have had this conversation, but as
an
exponent of this subject in a
practical sense can I explain what happens in
real life?
Th "5km
radius" was always the example used by Ofcom to give Applicants a
typical range for a Community Radio operation.
It was never a rule or a limit.
For some time recently it has seemed that Ofcom
has been expressing 5km as some kind of limitation or norm - but I have
always opposed this as wrong and indeed impractical whenever it has cropped
up with our Clients.
There is a parallel
"non-rule" of power being limited to 25W vertical plus 25W horizontal,
As I'm sure I've pointed out before - out of the 303
CR stations licensed, 38 (16% of those currently on air) have been
allocated more than that "norm" - because they have shown Ofcom that
it was necessary to fulfil their business model.
The rest presumably haven't bothered - have
been too scared to put their case - or have thought just 25W was
enough or all they would get.
And an amazing
85% of stations are not using the other half (the horizontal
component) of their allocated power - effectively throwing away
around 40% of their licensed coverage.
Why would you want to do that?
From the outset the premise from Ofcom was
"Tell us your Community - and tell us how you propose to cover it"
Your situation Nick as we have discussed is a little
different.
There are (or were) other outside
reasons why you are being prevented from serving audience demand and I think
now is the right time to put some more weight behind your very
just cause.
Ian
Hickling
Partner
Office: 016 3557 8435 (07h to 22h
GTS)
Car: 075 3098 0115 (only responds when
driving)
6 Horn Street, Compton,
NEWBURY, RG20
6QS
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From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk <cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> on behalf of
Canalside's The Thread <office at thethread.org.uk>
Sent: 30 December 2016 12:11
To: 'The Community Media
Association Discussion List'
Subject: [cma-l] FW: Ofcom extends Susy Radio's licence
until 2022
From: Canalside's The Thread [mailto:office at thethread.org.uk]
Sent: 30 December 2016
11:56
To: 'Canalside's The
Thread' <office at thethread.org.uk>
Subject: RE: [cma-l] Ofcom extends Susy Radio's licence
until 2022
Neil et al
It’s not a scream, it is as always with moi an observation
to facts. The fact (s) being that either the rules are 5km or they are not.
For some their hats have been nailed on, for others there
has been
flexibility and for others it appears as if there has been a
free-for-all.
Knowing all the problems (dare I say ongoing problems) you
would have thought a simple explanation could have been given as to what
process and what rules we are working to.
Why doesn’t anyone listen to the facts ?
the facts are we were told this was a rule --- others have said it isn’t a
rule it is an advisory, others have said it now doesn’t exist and is
what
you put down on your application. Too late of course for the
rookies who had their original dabble over ten years ago.
The official folk on this matter ie:- Mr
and Mrs Ofcom state it is a rule ………… well that’s gone bon voyage and
straight out the window when you look at what is going on ……………. Hence
confusion
abound.
For example :- if it is a nailed down, no questions asked
5km ruling, then we may as well all go home and chuck all the kit on the
fire and throw the towel in as we will never be able to survive.
It
is clear common sense (there’s that word again) that we rely a little bit on
luck in the fact that our transmitters ‘bleed-out’ slightly for another 2 or
3km so that we can at least hook in a few just outside the official
area.
Our problem of course is that where we (Canalside) are based
you have to travel at least 1 and half miles N / S / E / W before you reach
people again outside of Bollington or else all we are broadcasting
to
are sheep and cows ………………. This has been explained a hundred times, but to
no avail.
You (Neil) mentions topography etc
etc once again
we have missed the point ……………. Either we operate to a 5km system or we
don’t. The moment Ofcom/DCMS start shuffling things around and
giving
lee-way to some who are down a ditch or behind a tree then what’s good for
the goose is good for the gander kicks into gear.
The whole thing is a cock-up ……………….. however, the
‘’’cock-up’’’ can easily be rectified if people are permitted to discuss and
then tweak what is necessary so that a Community Radio Station
can
cover the Community it is meant to be serving.
Common sense (there’s that word yet again) is then applied
once more so that ‘some’ Stations don’t start getting carried away with
themselves bearing in mind that we are LOCAL Radio and not
REGIONAL
Radio. You don’t have to be an expert to work this out. Some
people of course would like to split hairs on this matter in order to put a
pointless case forward or to get what they want. They may fool some people
but they certainly don’t fool me and never have.
It’s very similar to the discussion I had with
Martin re:-
restrictions.
We simply lift all the restrictions and let everyone
‘’’get-on-with-it’’’ if all of a sudden
Station
‘A’ that has been operating on £55,000 per-annum suddenly
goes up to £130,000 per-annum with 6 of the Trustees Holidaying in the
Maldives for 8 weeks then the alarm bells start ringing. Hence why I have
always said ‘’regulate the SPEND’’ and not the
earn’
Not difficult, but made difficult by people who want it to
be difficult.
That leads me finally onto Davids observation regarding the
‘’’consultation’’’ I think the
reason why there’s only 14 Stations as opposed to 250 commenting is because
everyone has malaise
and has basically ‘given
up’
My personal feelings on all these matters have been
expressed via message boards, via consultations, via meetings with CMA /
Ofcom / DCMS / Politicians ……….. the problem is if you are
dealing
with people who simply won’t play ball you are always going
to be up against it.
The only option we have is to soldier on and do something
yourself ---- in various quarters I/We have done this --- it would of course
be more effective if we actually did something about it as
a group
instead of having consultations.
I
have over the years taken a good long hard look at myself and my
observations … I have done it to try and make myself back off and convince
myself that actually I am totally wrong and that all
the rules and
regulations and processes are correct. I have searched in every nook and
cranny and sadly I actually don’t think I am wrong --- I actually think I am
spot on and that’s why I don’t shut up. I would not be doing our fraternity
justice if I did
roll over and died.
So to conclude I don’t scream
nor do I rant, I merely make forthright observations that looking Back over
the years 9 times out of 10 are correct --- I just wish someone would take
the Bull
by the Horns and sort it all out ….. then tell me that I was
wrong …… sadly they won’t be able to.
I
have even done the ultimate bit ‘’put the
money where the mouth is’’ let’s do it the way
I have suggested, give it a try, if it doesn’t work (which it only won’t
work if it is not
regulated correctly) and see what
happens.
Happy New Year everyone onwards and
upwards to Dumptyland
Nick
From: Neil Munday [mailto:neilm at susyradio.com]
Sent: 30 December 2016
10:20
To: The Community
Media Association Discussion List <cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>;
office at thethread.org.uk
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Ofcom
extends Susy Radio's licence until 2022
Rather than scream about it on here if you would
like a conversation I will explain our restrictions and our topography which
cause this against our official coverage area if which some we don't cover
effectively.
Call me 07767767689
Neil Munday
Operations Director
Susy Radio 103.4
On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 at 10:17, Canalside's The Thread
<office at thethread.org.uk>
wrote:
Reigate, Redhill, Horley, Crawley,
Gatwick ???
Good Lord !
that’s the largest
5km I’ve ever seen in my life !
If someone could explain this process (as in from the
outset) I would be very grateful.
I know we have been here before with this discussion, but
along with other issues you can see surely why people get
frustrated.
Owing to restrictions we (Canalside) are OFFICIALLY on 5km
----- and NO !! we didn’t ask for it, we were led up a garden
path which clearly was wrong. All we are asking for is a
small
‘tweak’ because the rules have now
changed.
Is anyone asking the necessary questions in the correct
places ? or are we just drifting along aimlessly
?
Please please explain to me why some have 5km and some
have 10km and some have
15km
and the answer dare not be ‘’Because they asked for
it’’
as far as I
am aware everyone asked originally to ‘cover’ their
Community we certainly did
but were told ‘’you’re not allowed because????’’
And the circus continues with everyone operating under
different rules ??
It’s bonkers
!
these so called restrictions have got a hell of lot to answer for along
with the clots that dreamt them up in the first
place
Well done though to Susy on the extension to the
licence
Onwards and Upwards for 2017
Nick
From:
cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk [mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk]
On Behalf Of CMA-L
Sent: 23 December 2016 11:58
To:
cma-l at commedia.org.uk
Subject: [cma-l] Ofcom extends Susy Radio's licence
until 2022
Susy Radio is pleased to announce that the station's
licence has been officially extended for another 5 years until 2022. Susy
Radio, broadcasting on 103.4FM and online from
its studio in
Merstham, Surrey, came on air as a fully licensed 24/7 community station
in July 2012 following many years of occasional
broadcasts.
Susy's
Programme Director Geoff Rogers said "I'm so pleased that Susy Radio is
going to be given the opportunity to continue its work as the official
local community radio station for East Surrey and North Sussex. We look
forward immensely to the new
opportunities to work with and serve
the community in the next five years."
Chairman Alan French noted "This reflects so well on all
who have been involved with Susy Radio from its beginning to the present
day and made it the great community radio station it has become today.
Thank you to all the volunteer
staff.”
Further
information
Susy
Radio 103.4 is the official Community Radio station covering Reigate,
Redhill, Horley, Crawley and Gatwick with all places in between. Susy
Radio is run entirely by volunteers and has a excellent working
relationships with many local community groups,
local authorities,
other broadcasters and
journalists.
Susy
Radio is funded by a split between grants and donations vs advertising and
operates as a "Not for Profit" Limited
company.
More
information:
Neil
Munday
Operations
Director
Susy Radio 103.4
neilm at susyradio.com
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