[cma-l] Ofcom extends Susy Radio's licence until 2022

Mon Jan 2 11:18:56 GMT 2017

Thanks Nigel

Mail me directly you know my direct mail.

Neil

On Mon, 2 Jan 2017 at 10:58, admin <admin at edenfm.co.uk> wrote:

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> Good to hear from you and a Happy New Year to our friends at Eden fm
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> On Sun, 1 Jan 2017 at 17:21, admin <admin at edenfm.co.uk> wrote:
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> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] Ofcom extends Susy
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> Thank you Ian, a better than good application
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> *From:* Canalside's The Thread [mailto:office at thethread.org.uk]
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> *From:* Neil Munday [mailto:neilm at susyradio.com <neilm at susyradio.com>]
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