[cma-l] Ofcom extends Susy Radio's licence until 2022

Sun Jan 1 03:47:41 GMT 2017

Ian

Yes I know you and I understand this but sometimes a simple explanation
gets the message across.
Happy New Year.
N
On Sat, 31 Dec 2016 at 19:01, Ian Hickling <transplanfm at hotmail.com> wrote:

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> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] Ofcom extends Susy Radio's licence until 2022
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> Thank you Ian, a better than good application included an extensive
> coverage business model. Ours was based on 20 plus years of RSL experience
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> On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 at 20:39, Ian Hickling <transplanfm at hotmail.com>
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> cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> on behalf of Canalside's The
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> *Subject:* [cma-l] FW: Ofcom extends Susy Radio's licence until 2022
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> *From:* Canalside's The Thread [mailto:office at thethread.org.uk]
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> *Subject:* RE: [cma-l] Ofcom extends Susy Radio's licence until 2022
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> It’s not a scream, it is as always with moi an observation to facts. The
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> Reigate, Redhill, Horley, Crawley, Gatwick    ???        Good Lord !
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> Owing to restrictions we (Canalside) are OFFICIALLY on 5km ----- and NO
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> *Subject:* [cma-l] Ofcom extends Susy Radio's licence until 2022
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