[cma-l] Ofcom Announcement
Alan Coote
alan.coote at 5digital.co.uk
Fri Apr 28 22:50:46 BST 2017
I recall a number of local communities in Scotland setting up stations in the 90s at the same time ‘Sallies’ were being licensed south of the border.
Weren’t these by request rather than bidding for the area advertisied by the Radio Authority?
Alan
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Date: Friday, 28 April 2017 at 20:31
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Subject: Re: [cma-l] Ofcom Announcement
Both directions of conversion are already possible Alan, even if not common occurrences.
One commercial station converted to community a couple of years back - Nevis Radio traded in its commercial licence for a community licence, as it hoped it would open up eligibility to apply for various funds. It surprised the rest of us here because Nevis had always seemed to be by far the most commercially viable of all the small not-for-profits in the Highlands and Islands.
There are numerous commercial licence holders already operating (intentionally) with a not-for-profit model (not to mention all those doing it involuntarily!).
And some hybrid arrangements - I think Perth FM effectively changed from profit-seeking to not-for-profit when it was taken over by Heartland, a not-for-profit station (which unfortunately also failed to find Perth FM viable and effectively transferred it to Wave 102 last year).
I'm not aware of any restrictions at all on the operators of a community licence from applying for a commercial licence if one is advertised in their area.
Alex
On 28 April 2017 at 17:51 Alan Coote <alan.coote at 5digital.co.uk> wrote:
Around 10 years ago I suggested to Ofcom that there should be a mechanism for commercial FM stations to become community stations and community stations to obtain a full commercial licence.
At the time there where three barriers - one may now have been removed.
1) Hyper Local Coverage ***
2) Limits on Ownership
3) Not for Profit Business Model
I’m sure in a few years we’ll look back and consider how arbitrary and restrictive the licensing regime was.
Kind Regards
Alan
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Date: Friday, 28 April 2017 at 16:36
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Hi Martin
Reading the consultation, it was very much the commercial sector (Radio Centre, Lincs FM group and Folder Media/Muxco) who appeared to be anti-community radio being any different to what is is now.
Also, some call from that sector wanting frequencies for commercial radio as well.
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I think thats more the concept of more new licenses (not extensions).
I think there are some CR who are concerned about more stations and the possible competition in their areas, radio fund etc.
On 28 April 2017 at 14:39, Bob Tyler <bobtyler at btinternet.com> wrote:
I note that Ofcom quoted a CMA survey, where less than half of respondents did not want more new licences.
So guess 20 new services by 2018/19 and 20 handing back licences!
BT
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On 28 Apr 2017, at 12:45, Ian Hickling <transplanfm at hotmail.com> wrote:
As I've written elsewhere:
This is good - but it's not perfect.
Several facets are unhelpful - and are not what Ofcom was either advised or asked to do.
See this for starters:
Future licensing of community radio services
1.6 Due to the level of demand for licences evidenced by the number of expressions of interest we received, we have decided to proceed with a further round of analogue community radio licensing.
Good - but wasn't that an obvious conclusion?
1.7 As a result of the consultation feedback, we have decided to invite applications before carrying out frequency planning work, with a view to speeding up our processes for granting new licences.
Again - good - but what we have been saying all along
1.8 We have therefore decided to proceed to invite applications for new community radio services in all the areas for which we have received expressions of interest.
Ah - "...in all the areas for which we have received expressions of interest...."?
NO!!!
Individuals applied - not "areas"!
Invitations should be issued only to those who applied.
This misguided concept of "fairness" is a waste of at least three months in the process and is entirely unnecessary.
1.9 We will prioritise those locations that do not overlap with an existing community radio service, by inviting applications in those areas now; and later this year invite applications in the areas where there is at least one existing community radio service.
Why?
Many areas now have more than one CR service because they applied and Ofcom agreed. Again this so-called "fairness" policy is actually very unfair to Applicants who have already done all the hard work and are sitting waiting for the opportunity to apply.
Ofcom is penalising good Applicants by making them wait while they open the door to those who have not done the work. Invite applications on merit - not on geography.
1.10 An invitation to apply for new licences in the first batch of areas will be published alongside this statement. An updated application form and notes of guidance will be published next Friday, 5 May.
Excellent - a good forward move - but let's cut out all the delays - shall we?
Believe me - there's lots more!
Ian Hickling
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From: Ian Hickling <transplanfm at hotmail.com>
Sent: 28 April 2017 11:32
To: office at thethread.org.uk; The Community Media Association Discussion List
Subject: Re: [cma-l] FW: Ofcom - tomorrow
Interesting that Ofcom made an important announcement this morning:
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/101459/community-radio-future-licensing-technical-policy-statement.pdf
just as the CMA delegation was going in to a meeting to discuss all of that - and a few other vital points.
Coincidence?
Or carefully planned strategy?
Ian Hickling
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From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk <cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk> on behalf of Canalside's Thread events guide for NE Cheshire <office at thethread.org.uk>
Sent: 28 April 2017 11:02:34
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Dear People of Great Loveliness
Not forgetting a troop of (few) other Stations who were hoodwinked at the outset as to what area they were meant to be covering, mind-boggled with jargon, led up the garden path, pecked at by (let’s use James’s phrase) childish moronic folk who lobbied to introduce restrictions (which by the way DID affect the set up) and still does indirectly affect operation as we still have to deal with all the baggage and leftovers from the mess (and I don’t want any so called experts trying to tell me otherwise as we [canalside] lived it, breathed it and have the T-Shirt to prove it) but alas, we have the Commercials / Experts who we have been told recently ‘apparently’ ‘’’want to help us’’’
Actions speak louder than words, so the best thing everyone can do is go back to square one, start how we ought to have started and then all the angst and frustration gets put to bed, we forgive and forget and move on YES as a Radio Fraternity, each with our own roles to play.
Let’s ask the same questions, but wheel in the Man from Del Monte coz ‘’he say Yes’’
Personally, I do not have an issue with metaphorically speaking being third fiddle as I am but a mere insect in all of this, in fact I am but a mere insect in most things --- however, I take a dim view to being shoved to the back of the queue & being third fiddle whilst having our noses rubbed in it at the same time.
Let us have a bit of respect shown to our sector with actions --- not words nor more consultations and then we can ALL go to the hob-knobbing gatherings on an equal footing.
If the experts and commercials do this, I will be the first person to give em a great big kiss and parade them around the streets of London in a sedan chair.
On a positive note ---- yes the experts giving tips and advice and putting it out there for us all is very good and it is to be applauded and I thank them and respect them for that – but you have to see the wider picture, and the wider picture is that unless you/we/they/DCMS/Ofcom/Uncle Tom Cobbley sort out the ‘’’politics’’’ implementing the advice ends up the same trying to push a 3 ton rock up Ben Nevis.
Onwards and Upwards ----- monkeee magic & goodwill to all mankind
Nick H Dumpty - Chairman / UK Crying in the Wilderness Society
From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk [mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of Bill Best
Sent: 28 April 2017 09:36
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Subject: Re: [cma-l] Ofcom - tomorrow
Ian
I again draw your attention to Ofcom's consultation "Community radio: future licensing and technical policy" published on 28th October 2016:
1.4 We anticipate that our current (third) round of licensing will draw to a close in late spring 2017, and that licensing of small-scale DAB services may not commence before 2018. In the interim, we propose to license more analogue services, as well as consider coverage improvements for existing services.
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/consultations-and-statements/category-2/cr-future-licensing
We will be asking for further clarification of Ofcom's deadline and insisting that Ofcom publishes its response to the technical consultation that Sharon White indicated would be delivered by the end of April.
Regards
Bill
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On 27 April 2017 at 11:34, Ian Hickling <transplanfm at hotmail.com> wrote:
Open message to Bill Best:
Bill - we wish you all the best in your meeting at Ofcom tomorrow.
Don't forget to stress that there are 243 CR broadcasters out here - and another 160-plus potential Applicants - that have been waiting for a very long tome for news of how Ofcom is going to proceed with serving this market - and for at least some results from the 33 Region 10 and 11 applications.
Thank you.
Ian Hickling
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