[cma-l] Community Radio Fund & the CMA
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Suggested this 3 years ago ! and all the other things that folk are now
pointing out. It is very nice to see more people chucking their
three-pennith in
.. everyone appears to have woken up and smelt the coffee.
In the event of just another observational whinge, let’s change our name to
‘Here we go round the Mulberry Bush Radio’
[Alan] 2 Minutes ! 2 Days more like
OK, some might not blink
it could turn out to be a waste of time, but what
it most definitely isn’t is it is not pointless because it proves we at last
after 14 years of pussy-footying around, whinging whilst at the same time
being insulted we have a Plan B.
Read between the lines what Plan B’s, mandates, supported leadership, policy
is
.. you do not have to be a rocket scientist. For anyone still in any
doubt or struggling to get their head around the concept before
falling over / going belly-up / keeling over and/or doing a dying fly we
would take the plunge and break the rules
. We’ll face the consequences
later.
The key bit here is that if another 249 are thinking along the same lines
then those who have been insulting our intelligence for years might just at
least listen for a change as opposed to brushing it off or scraping it off
the bottom of their shoe !
I know you all know this already, but just for the record
. Discussions,
friendly persuasion, hob-knobbing is all well and good
but if you keep
drawing blanks, keep NOT being included in any extra funding and continue to
knock when no one is in you MUST MUST MUST have a Plan B.
Off the top of my head, I think the Junior Doctors had a Plan B. Can I
suggest that our Leaders give em a quick bell and then let us know when the
funding meeting is and what we intend to do if/when/not if etc etc
Sorry to appear aggressive and uppity
. but I am so frustrated. Get some
fire in our bellies for petes sake, friendly persuasion is not working.
Nick Dumpty
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[mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of Alan Coote
Sent: 18 May 2016 11:51
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Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Fund & the CMA
What the government needs to see is a coherent approach to funding a sector
which is in dire need of it. I think you only need to be involved in
community radio 5 minutes before you see this is the case.
Not to highlight the seriousness of this issue and the evident injustice
funding local TV and print Journalist instead is madness!
I advocate that every Community Station falls silent for two minutes on a
National Community Radio Day. Maybe the CMA could organise that?
Kind Regards
Alan
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Date: Tuesday, 17 May 2016 at 22:10
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Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Fund & the CMA
Good points by Phil and Alex.... I do get a little restless --- then let's
campaign to change the rules. As a starter let's have a look at what the
wording of the rules is.
Quite seriously - whose rules? - are they defined by Ofcom themselves or by
statute? what is meant by merit? by what criteria? and who can interpret
them in a truly objective and dispassionate fashion? Phil,'s point ..."so
the government has already accepted that there is a value to society in
having these stations..." Is in itself an implication of "merit" - Ofcom
wouldn't grant a licence to an organisation that was mediocre.. Would they?
Another way forward would be a 2 tier system with 50% of the fund given as
an equal sum to every station, as of right... And after they had submitted
and had approved their annual return by Ofcom (to keep them happy). The
other 50% would be on merit.. whatever that means. I do worry slightly if
this is a bit like bank loans to business where those that don't really need
it get it and those that are in trouble are too much of a risk.
Bill there is a good discussion here with the elements of a coherent policy
and campaign being developed. Obviously we want more money to be distributed
in a responsible fashion. The suggestions for a re jig of what is already
there is the core starting point. Can you "curate" (ugh not always quite
sure what that means) this to work it up into a firm proposal.
Could you forward me the actual wording of the rules and the precise source
that empowers them...
Thanks
Ron
Radiojcom Leeds
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On 18 May 2016, at 06:36, Bill Best <bill.best at commedia.org.uk> wrote:
Good evening
The CMA put forward the request from CMA members for the Community Radio
Fund to be shared equally between community radio stations but Ofcom advised
that the rules that govern how public money can be spent would not permit
the CRF to be used in this way - applications to the Fund have to be awarded
on merit.
Best regards
Bill
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On 17 May 2016 at 17:22, Phil Edmonds <lists at philedmonds.info> wrote:
Thinking aloud here....
Every Community Radio station has the Ofcom Licence fees (which unless it's
changed since I last looked a couple of years back, that if you were an
analogue Commercial Radio station would be zero rated if you had the
turnover of an average CR station) plus at least the 'minimum' PRS/MCPS and
PPL fee.
So there's 500k in the Community Radio fund....
Maybe someone should put in an application to the Community Radio Fund to
mass pay "everyone's" Ofcom and minimum music royalties basic costs (hey it
might even mean that PRS can sort out the admin correctly on such a 'block
booking'!)
Back of the fag packet calculations gets me broadly to the 500k mark with
this.
I could be even more radical and suggest a mass submission of the same
"spilt up the fund to all stations equally" set of applications...
Now my initial thought on this front was somewhat "tongue in cheek", but
maybe there is a little nugget of an idea in there?
I'll duck and cover now....
Phil.
(Personal views, not necessarily those of any organisation I'm involved
with.)
On 17/05/2016 13:24, Alex Gray, Two Lochs Radio wrote:
Clearly a grant to Community Radio is not in any way a handout to a
‘begging bowl’. The whole justification for there being CR licences
available is that such stations are expected to provide ‘social gain’ –
so the government has already accepted that there is a value to society
in having these stations. In which case it seems to me that in principle
it would be perfectly proper for public funds to contribute to
delivering that social purpose.
As has already been mentioned, that was indeed proposed to the tune of
£30k per station in the original 2003 recommendations for CR licensing.
That didn’t happen, presumably because of a lack of political
will/lobbying from the commercial companies.
There is another potential practical route to value this social purpose
– one that has worked well for us in Scotland for the stations that were
licensed prior to CR licences and their restrictions on commercial income.
That is to persuade the Government of the need and value to run ‘public
service’ and ‘social message’ advertising on community-based stations.
This avoids any need to think about or discuss ‘begging bowls’ since we
are selling them a product of value in return for the income, not asking
for ‘something for nothing’.
In Scotland the Scottish Government instructs the advertising agencies
to place a small share of the overall public service advertising budget
with the community-based non-profit stations such as ours, and it has
been a very important income stream.
Of course there is a problem in this scheme in that as things stand it
couldn’t be applied to stations with CR licences that limit or bar
commercial airtime income, but maybe it would be easier to persuade
Ofcom/DCMS that this requirement should be eased/removed in the case of
official social/public service messages from Government – ie that such
advertising would not count as commercial income for Ofcom purposes, or
that licence conditions would be amended to permit such income.
Just an idea. While it’s provides nowhere near as much as the originally
proposed core CR funding from Government, It has been a substantial
help for us for over 10 years in Scotland.
Alex
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Let’s not get into the debate re:- value of the product
our product is viewed differently by possibly every Tom, Dick and Harry
on this Island. It is irrelevant owing to the very reason why Community
Radio was set up
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