[cma-l] Community Radio Fund & the CMA

Ron Millet ronm at bridging-thegap.co.uk
Tue May 17 22:10:08 BST 2016 

Good points by Phil and Alex.... I do get a little restless --- then let's campaign to change the rules. As a starter let's have a look at what the wording of the rules is.
Quite seriously - whose rules? - are they defined by Ofcom themselves or by statute? what is meant by merit?  by what criteria? and who can interpret them in a truly objective and dispassionate fashion? Phil,'s point ..."so the government has already accepted that there is a value to society in having these stations..." Is in itself an implication of "merit" - Ofcom wouldn't grant a licence to an organisation that was mediocre.. Would they?
Another way forward would be a 2 tier system with 50% of the fund given as an equal sum to every station, as of right... And after they had submitted and had approved their annual return by Ofcom (to keep them happy). The other 50% would be on merit.. whatever that means. I do worry slightly if this is a bit like bank loans to business where those that don't really need it get it and those that are in trouble are too much of a risk.

Bill there is a good discussion here with the elements of a coherent policy and campaign being developed. Obviously we want more money to be distributed in a responsible fashion. The suggestions for a re jig of what is already there is the core starting point. Can you "curate" (ugh not always quite sure what that means) this to work it up into a firm proposal.
Could you forward me the actual wording of the rules and the precise source that empowers them...

Thanks

Ron
Radiojcom Leeds

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> On 18 May 2016, at 06:36, Bill Best <bill.best at commedia.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> Good evening
> 
> The CMA put forward the request from CMA members for the Community Radio Fund to be shared equally between community radio stations but Ofcom advised that the rules that govern how public money can be spent would not permit the CRF to be used in this way - applications to the Fund have to be awarded on merit.
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>> On 17 May 2016 at 17:22, Phil Edmonds <lists at philedmonds.info> wrote:
>> Thinking aloud here....
>> 
>> Every Community Radio station has the Ofcom Licence fees (which unless it's changed since I last looked a couple of years back, that if you were an analogue Commercial Radio station would be zero rated if you had the turnover of an average CR station) plus at least the 'minimum' PRS/MCPS and PPL fee.
>> 
>> So there's 500k in the Community Radio fund....
>> 
>> Maybe someone should put in an application to the Community Radio Fund to mass pay "everyone's" Ofcom and minimum music royalties basic costs (hey it might even mean that PRS can sort out the admin correctly on such a 'block booking'!)
>> 
>> Back of the fag packet calculations gets me broadly to the 500k mark with this.
>> 
>> I could be even more radical and suggest a mass submission of the same "spilt up the fund to all stations equally" set of applications...
>> 
>> 
>> Now my initial thought on this front was somewhat "tongue in cheek", but maybe there is a little nugget of an idea in there?
>> 
>> I'll duck and cover now....
>> 
>> Phil.
>> (Personal views, not necessarily those of any organisation I'm involved with.)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 17/05/2016 13:24, Alex Gray, Two Lochs Radio wrote:
>>> Clearly a grant to Community Radio is not in any way a handout to a
>>> ‘begging bowl’. The whole justification for there being CR licences
>>> available is that such stations are expected to provide ‘social gain’ –
>>> so the government has already accepted that there is a value to society
>>> in having these stations. In which case it seems to me that in principle
>>> it would be perfectly proper for public funds to contribute to
>>> delivering that social purpose.
>>> 
>>> As has already been mentioned, that was indeed proposed to the tune of
>>> £30k per station in the original 2003 recommendations for CR licensing.
>>> That didn’t happen, presumably because of a lack of political
>>> will/lobbying from the commercial companies.
>>> 
>>> There is another potential practical route to value this social purpose
>>> – one that has worked well for us in Scotland for the stations that were
>>> licensed prior to CR licences and their restrictions on commercial income.
>>> 
>>> That is to persuade the Government of the need and value to run ‘public
>>> service’ and ‘social message’ advertising on community-based stations.
>>> This avoids any need to think about or discuss ‘begging bowls’ since we
>>> are selling them a product of value in return for the income, not asking
>>> for ‘something for nothing’.
>>> 
>>> In Scotland the Scottish Government instructs the advertising agencies
>>> to place a small share of the overall public service advertising budget
>>> with the community-based non-profit stations such as ours, and it has
>>> been a very important income stream.
>>> 
>>> Of course there is a problem in this scheme in that as things stand it
>>> couldn’t be applied to stations with CR licences that limit or bar
>>> commercial airtime income, but maybe it would be easier to persuade
>>> Ofcom/DCMS that this requirement should be eased/removed in the case of
>>> official social/public service messages from Government – ie that such
>>> advertising would not count as commercial income for Ofcom purposes, or
>>> that licence conditions would be amended to permit such income.
>>> 
>>> Just an idea. While it’s provides nowhere near as much as the originally
>>> proposed core CR funding from Government,  It has been a substantial
>>> help for us for over 10 years in Scotland.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Alex
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>>> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Fund & the CMA
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>>> Let’s not get into the debate    re:- value of the product
>>> our product is viewed differently by possibly every Tom, Dick and Harry
>>> on this Island. It is irrelevant owing to the very reason why Community
>>> Radio was set up….
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