[cma-l] The DAB issue.
fantasy office
office at fantasyradio.co.uk
Thu Sep 10 16:58:24 BST 2015
Dear James,
Now who's being ridiculous? It was you who did the search/replace thing.
Online and DAB are two entirely different things.
Reasons for being on line:
A. Widens our range slightly on our fringes. (unlike DAB)
B. Allows expats, people on holiday, or away from the area temporarily
to continue to listen to us. (unlike DAB) This is very much proven
benefit and fact. ( I know how you like facts)
C. Our website links with what we broadcast and is regularly updated,
and therefore compliments our broadcasts. It is very inexpensive and it
would be foolish NOT to be online, as we are already there. (unlike DAB)
D. However, it doesn't bring us much commercial benefit (just like DAB)
Reasons for being on FM. Obvious.
Reasons for being on DAB. er......
My arguments - (no, considered observations, I don't wish to argue)
relate to OUR particular station. in other areas, things may be different.
James, I bow to your superior knowledge regarding facts and figures, -
it's your line of business. However, in my original post, I was airing
my views, for possible discussion. I didn't expect to be hauled over the
coals for it. But thank you for the 26% DAB figure anyway. I wonder what
it is in rural areas where there is a reliable signal.
On this forum, and across the industry, we should not be having this
debate, it makes us both look foolish. After all we're not on opposite
sides.
Whilst I respect your views, perhaps you could also respect mine.
Kind regards,
Phil Dawson
FANTASY RADIO 97FM
Devizes
Wiltshire.
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> From: James Cridland <james at cridland.net>
> To: fantasy office <office at fantasyradio.co.uk>,
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>> What you have written is ridiculous in the extreme.
> I agree, it is, isn't it.
>
> Exactly the same arguments you give for not being on DAB in that paragraph
> also apply to online. But when the arguments are used against online in an
> obvious search/replace like that, they become 'ridiculous'.
>
> That suggests to me that arguments about "we don't want to give people more
> choice" or "there is no commercial benefit" or "but PPL will charge more"
> are all entirely redundant if you cannot hold that opinion consistently
> over different platforms.
>
>> I've been looking out for your apology, but haven't seen it yet.
> An apology for showing your arguments to be ridiculous and for highlighting
> you've not even done basic research? No, that's not going to wash.
>
> But I apologise if you think the 'FM transmitter on a caravan' was aimed at
> you. It wasn't; it was aimed at radio stations in general. The point here
> is "you've got to be where your audience wants you to be". And if there is
> four times the listening on DAB than there is online, that's a pretty good
> starting point for understanding which is more important.
>
> //j
>
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> On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 4:05 PM fantasy office <office at fantasyradio.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> James,
>>
>> Please don't misquote me and then attribute the misquote to someone else
>> (David)
>> What you have written is ridiculous in the extreme.
>>
>> There is no real commercial value in our being on line, but it helps a
>> bit. And of course, being on line is NOT expensive.
>>
>> I've been looking out for your apology, but haven't seen it yet.
>>
>> Phil Dawson
>> FANTASY RADIO 97FM
>> Devizes,
>> WILTSHIRE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/9/2015 3:12 PM, cma-l-request at mailman.commedia.org.uk wrote:
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>>> Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2015 13:50:40 +0000
>>> From: James Cridland<james at cridland.net>
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>>> Subject: Re: [cma-l] The DAB issue
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>>> David said:
>>>
>>> "I still can't see the point in *our *becoming involved in ONLINE RADIO,
>>> since there is no commercial value, considerable expense and the possible
>>> introduction of another TEN MILLION or so additional services competing
>> for
>>> our share of the local population. After all, if they're listening to
>>> something else, they ain't listening to us! If there was any guarantee
>> that
>>> putting our existing service ONLINE would gain us a significant audience,
>>> it would be worth a consideration, but at what cost? and still no idea
>>> about PRS and PPL costs."
>>>
>>> ...well, he didn't, but he could just as easily have said that.
>>>
>>> It's just a platform. Relax.
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> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 15:49:41 +0100
> From: "Canalside's The Thread" <office at thethread.org.uk>
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> Subject: Re: [cma-l] Westminster debate on the 'Process for FM
> radioapplications'
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> Dear All
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>
> I had a meeting at Riverside House yesterday . ... I was with Mr Ofcom for
> an hour over one or two minor issues (by the way)(we are not in trouble)
> looking out through the glass towards St Pauls we put the radio World to
> rights ...I would say the outcome of the meeting was 50/50 .... which is
> actually quite good . all will be revealed soon
>
>
>
> We discussed '''the debate''' for 5 minutes or so where I simply pointed
> out that it all (in my opinion) ran true to form -------
>
>
>
> Everyone is getting over excited .....the process for all of this is very
> simple and straightforward . why can't folk grasp it ? :-)
>
>
>
> This is what happens .. please make a note :-
>
>
>
> 1) Something is instigated via an observation / or complaint
>
> 2) Correspondence goes back and forth for approximately 9 months
>
> 3) There is a proper discussion / debate either via the individuals
> who are immediately affected and/or on a bigger scale via letters from local
> MP's to the Secretary of State. Another 6 month pass by. Th3e person who
> made the original observation is no longer at the Radio Station for a number
> of reasons :- they retired, they moved on, they simply lost the will to live
> :-)
>
> 4) The Secretary of State [in fairness to Ed] always gets back to
> people and is quite pro-active and polite I'm not convinced though
> that the secretary of state and Ofcom are singing from the same hymn sheet
>
> 5) Number five is where it all starts going off-piste
> because :-
>
>
>
> We / They / He / She asks a question, makes an observation / complaint /
> points out something isn't quite right ie:- 1 + 1 = 3
>
>
>
> THEN = The Secretary of State comes back and tells us everything we already
> know ????? basically it is the same speech that was used lat time and the
> time before that how I see it is ,,,,,,, he's just done it
> again ! sprinkle it with a few ''no's'' and hey presto. We're
> back to this age old ''no you can't do that'' ''no, that can't be done''
> ''that's not permitted'' ''we can't do that because'' but actually
> the 'BECAUSE' actually holds no water, as in most instances those saying
> no can actually be proved wrong.
>
>
>
> Most of the things that we are each talking about is as simple as someone
> walking into the office one morning, saying ''YES'' that makes sense
> ''where's my Pen?'' job done. No one affected, no one harmed, less
> aggro for Ofcom, CMA, DCMS.. Us .. people can then get on with what they are
> meant to be doing (me included) instead of moaning, complaining, making
> observations, message boards, meetings, bureaucracy .... We may have been
> able to train another 25 people in that time spent going round in a circle.
>
>
>
> Do they have a democratic process to elect the Secretary of State for the
> DCMS ? if so, when Ed has done his stint could I suggest we put a
> candidate forward please ? I have already worded the chap and he is clued
> up now on procedure. He's agreed to give it a go.
>
>
>
> Our candidate is now officially the ''Man from Del Monte'' he say
> ''YES !''
>
>
>
> Viva El Hombre del Monte !
>
>
>
> :-)
>
>
>
> Nick
>
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>
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>
>
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> From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
> [mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of Ian Hickling
> Sent: 10 September 2015 07:58
> To: The Community Media Association Discussion List
> Subject: [cma-l] Westminster debate on the 'Process for FM
> radioapplications'
>
>
>
> Thank the Lord for Hansard!
>
> We briefed Amanda Milling as to the submission - and Ed Vaizey's response in
> the most part would have been provided by Ofcom.
> I'll be analysing the Minister's response on behalf of Jane and Rob Hughes
> at Cannock Radio for the next stage in the action.
>
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> From: bill.best at commedia.org.uk
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2015 16:32:45 +0100
> To: cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [cma-l] Westminster debate on the 'Process for FM radio
> applications'
>
> FM Radio Applications - [Mrs Anne Main in the Chair]
> - in Westminster Hall at 4:00 pm on 8th September 2015.
>
>
> Hansard link:
>
> http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201516/cmhansrd/cm150908/halltext
> /150908h0001.htm#150908h0001.htm_spnew37
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