[cma-l] and community radio

Ian Hickling transplanfm at hotmail.com
Wed Oct 28 16:57:58 GMT 2015 

The term "Pirate radio" is about as definitive as "Processed Meat" or "Chemicals"!
They're media umbrella terms that are so broad as to be effectively useless in accurate communication.We have had the Offshore Pirates - Radio Caroline, Radio London and many others - who were killed of by the totally political and artificial Marine Offences Act - which resulted in Radio 1 - accepted as long as Radio 1 is your kind of thing.We have the rise to fame of Radio Jackie which proved that a formula outside the existing BBC and IBA structure was viable - and brought about another change in Law - generally welcomed.We have the crossover from Pirate to Community Radio of just a few - I make it a total of three - again - welcomed.There are the social pirates who are doing a good job and who as such are not generally hassled by authority but who can't afford the process to legitimacy - should be encouraged to toe the lineThere are the numerous illegal broadcasters sending out Drum 'n' Bass and Hip Hop and the like which don't have the slightest intention of becoming legal - should be eliminated in my view.
Ian Hickling
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> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 20:42:31 +0000
> From: office at fantasyradio.co.uk
> To: cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk
> Subject: [cma-l] pirate and community radio
> 
> 
> Nicely put Roy!
> 
> There is no doubt that pirate broadcasting is what brought about the 
> massive changes in radio in the UK. It was Pirate radio that brought 
> about Radio 1, 2, 3 and 4, together with the IBA (Radio Authority, 
> Ofcom) , leading the way to commercial radio.
> I've done it, many others have done it - and there are some great people 
> with wonderful stories about the evolution of UK radio. Let's not be 
> stuffy about it. Real Radio is a big adventure - and I feel sorry for 
> those who don't see it as such.
> 
> Phil Dawson
> FANTASY RADIO 97FM
> Devizes, Wiltshire
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> > Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 13:07:30 +0000
> > From: Ian Hickling <transplanfm at hotmail.com>
> > To: The Community Media Association Discussion List
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> > Subject: [cma-l] Pirate Radio
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> > I have a huge respect for Roy as a highly-experienced practitioner in the business - and we have dealt with him on many occasions - but I can't agree with how he links Community Radio and illegal broadcasters.I could also draw lots of supporting parallels, but that won't help, because I really can't accept that citing instances where past illegal acts produced a beneficial outcome can justify a current illegal act.I don't think the homosexuality reference was either relevant or helpful - sorry.I was discussing this yesterday with an Ofcom Field Engineer - one of the guys who see the real hard dirty part of the game. He and his colleagues care also contributing to this study and obviously their part is confidential.I'd be the first to agree that some illegal broadcasters are offering a genuine useful social service - and as such they are rarely targeted by Ofcom or the Police.
> > This emphasises the grey area of whether by tolerating this - for whatever reason - Ofcom and indeed the Police are effectively Aiding and Abetting an Offence under the Wireless Telegraphy Act 2006.Agreed Roy - "illegal is a moving target" - but at any given moment it is a legitimate and well-defined target - make no mistake.Ofcom offered the Community Radio formula as a route for illegal broadcasters to conform with legislation.Yes, it's long-winded, complex and expensive - and as far as I am aware only three pirates have taken it up.I stand to be corrected on that - if you know otherwise?
> > But 273 other organisations have - so that's not bad - is it?If the current illegal broadcasters have the desire and initiative to get the Law changed - then the democratic process is all too clear. But they haven't done it - and it's pretty certain that they never will.So if they don't - and they persistently and defiantly continue breaking the present Law - then they will have to face the consequences - and I'm certainly one of those pushing for that.The old adage is still relevant - and absolutely nothing personal intended:
> > "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem."
> > Fence-sitting is neither helpful nor appropriate.
> > Ian Hickling
> > Partner
> >
> > Office: 01635 578435  (7am-11pm UK time)Carphone: 07530 980115 (only responds when driving)6 Horn Street, Compton, NEWBURY, RG20 6QS
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> > Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 15:40:54 +0000
> > From: roy at rplradio.com
> > To: cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk
> > Subject: [cma-l] Pirate Radio
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't really comment on this forum and this may be my last post.
> > Community radio and pirate radio are forever entwined.
> >   
> > How did Broadcast warehouse ,SBS and Radica your transmission providers get going????
> > Could I possibly suggest that pirate radio may have been involved in their transmitter testing and development
> > If you don't understand this comment then then you have no concept of the evolution of this sector of the broadcast industry and how it has got you on air today.
> > You should be grateful for Pirate radio or you would not have a UK made transmitter.
> >   
> > DJ Uncle has been walking around with a Police tracking bracelet on his ankle after the last arrest.
> > The Police supported his station as did local politicians. But WHY because it acted as as mouthpiece to calm local flash points.
> > He has tried many times to go legit and has no chance in hell. He is not your enemy he should be applaulded for his work at great personal cost and you should work together.
> >   
> > Don't get sniffy with all pirates KISS and XFM where there once.
> >   
> > I would like to state I have not been part of pirate radio, mainly because I had day jobs in my early 20's with the BBC, Radio Luxemberg 208 and Soho production studios,
> > So I could hear my recordings on the radio every night anyway.
> >
> > What disturbs me is a lack of understanding of cultures other than your own comfort zones.
> > A pirate is just this weeks illegal immigrant as far as you all seem to be concerned.
> > Don't forget illegal is a moving target, it was illegal to be GAY not so long ago.
> >   
> > Thanks and goodnight.
> > Roy Parsons
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> > Interesting Robb
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> >   
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> > The sad thing in all of this is that when I write something like this and it
> > gets placed on the message board there always seems to be some condescending
> > clot who says     ''he's having a rant''        I think the first thing
> > everyone needs to learn in Community Radio is that if someone says something
> > with a bit of fire and passion behind it, it doesn't mean they are having a
> > rant.
> >
> >   
> >
> > I sussed all this nonsense many Moons ago. The ones that write ''rant'' are
> > actually in disagreement and they feel that writing that someone is ranting
> > in someway takes the sting out the tail. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't .
> > ??     it certainly doesn't wash with me.
> >
> >   
> >
> > I think it is nice and refreshing to see Roy and Robb expressing their
> > opinions. I agree with some of it and disagree with other bits, but I
> > certainly know where they are coming from.
> >
> > I now await patiently for Senor Plonker to put his/her three-pennith worth
> > in and accuse both Roy and Robb for having a rant. If it is the case ...
> > then RANT AWAY I SAY
> >
> >   
> >
> > Well done
> >
> >   
> >
> > Nick
> >
> >   
> >
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> > From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
> > [mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of
> > robbeden at madasafish.com
> > Sent: 26 October 2015 22:04
> > To: 'The Community Media Association Discussion List'
> > Subject: Re: [cma-l] Pirate Radio
> >
> >   
> >
> > For someone who has been on the receiving end of bad judgement by the GPO,
> > Radio Authority & Ofcom may I congratulate Roy for his frank assessment.
> > Pirate Radio has made a significant contribution to broadcasting in this
> > country & it's sad that politicians don't recognise it. Pirate Radio , not
> > the BBC, has been the backbone of innovation and others have followed.
> > Luckily we now have the internet where freedom of expression & creative
> > thought is at the forefront. The BBC has a fantastic opportunity to embrace
> > the spirit of pirate radio through the numerous community stations that are
> > still broadcasting but I fear that they will not grasp the nettle.
> > Meanwhile, out here in the Cotswolds, our community internet radio station
> > is coming up to its eighth anniversary, all done without the help of Ofcom
> > or the BBC, we do it efficiently & cost effectively.
> >
> >   
> >
> > Meanwhile the plodding bureaucrats continue to drag community radio down &
> > the Community Media Association sits by whilst the industry burns.
> >
> >   
> >
> > The sector needs a complete rethink, it needs support from Ofcom, less
> > interference & more praise for the sterling work that the thousands of
> > volunteers put in each week.
> >
> >   
> >
> > Robb Eden
> >
> >   
> >
> > From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
> > [mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of Roy Parsons
> > Sent: 26 October 2015 15:41
> > To: Alan Fransman <cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
> > Subject: [cma-l] Pirate Radio
> >
> >   
> >
> > I don't really comment on this forum and this may be my last post.
> >
> > Community radio and pirate radio are forever entwined.
> >
> >   
> >
> > How did Broadcast warehouse ,SBS and Radica your transmission providers get
> > going????
> >
> > Could I possibly suggest that pirate radio may have been involved in their
> > transmitter testing and development
> >
> > If you don't understand this comment then then you have no concept of the
> > evolution of this sector of the broadcast industry and how it has got you on
> > air today.
> >
> > You should be grateful for Pirate radio or you would not have a UK made
> > transmitter.
> >
> >   
> >
> > DJ Uncle has been walking around with a Police tracking bracelet on his
> > ankle after the last arrest.
> >
> > The Police supported his station as did local politicians. But WHY because
> > it acted as as mouthpiece to calm local flash points.
> >
> > He has tried many times to go legit and has no chance in hell. He is not
> > your enemy he should be applaulded for his work at great personal cost and
> > you should work together.
> >
> >   
> >
> > Don't get sniffy with all pirates KISS and XFM where there once.
> >
> >   
> >
> > I would like to state I have not been part of pirate radio, mainly because I
> > had day jobs in my early 20's with the BBC, Radio Luxemberg 208 and Soho
> > production studios,
> >
> > So I could hear my recordings on the radio every night anyway.
> >
> > What disturbs me is a lack of understanding of cultures other than your own
> > comfort zones.
> >
> > A pirate is just this weeks illegal immigrant as far as you all seem to be
> > concerned.
> >
> > Don't forget illegal is a moving target, it was illegal to be GAY not so
> > long ago.
> >
> >   
> >
> > Thanks and goodnight.
> >
> > Roy Parsons
> >
> > RPL
> > Worldwide Broadcast Equipment Suppliers
> > Radionet House
> > 4 Greenock Road
> > London W3 8DU
> > England
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> > Mob: +44 7970 92 3526
> >
> > Web site: www.RplRadio.com
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