[cma-l] Community Radio (Amendment) Order 2015, 2:30pm Tuesday 17th March, Consideration in Grand Committee - Lord Gardiner of Kimble

Tue Mar 17 18:25:48 GMT 2015

You'll be looking for a hell of long time Phil if you are looking for the
real World ...... it doesn't exist in this game.

Don't get me going again on all this malarkey ... the whole thing is a
complete and utter 'debacle'   yup    there's that word again. It's a
circus, and what makes it worse is the fact that people have had their
intelligence insulted with it all. I'm not the brightest lamp on the
Christmas Tree but I am by no means a half wit and all this nonsense has
made a mockery of the whole thing.

The key word in all of it is     'RELATIVE'     whether a Big/Large, Medium,
Small, Tiny Radio Station is operating in an area under 150,000 it is
irrelevant, because the difficulty is the same for everyone     the
Community Station as well (even more so)    if the area is flush, then
everyone is flush. The end result is relative ..... it is the same for
everyone Small or Large. This argument has never ever been included IN THE
ARGUMENT

It's a joke and I have wiped my hands of it and I know I have commented on
this, but quite frankly I have lost the will to even argue anymore. 'THEY'
as in the autHorities DCMS or whoever, lost this argument years ago, as did
the Commercial boys, but to save face everyone has just ploughed on whilst
at the same time creating a hell of a lot of ill feeling and leaving a lot
of debr in it's wake

Anyway   nuff said    you don't want me whinging again

Please remember, I know all about this through experience ... we've lived
and breathed the rough ends of the stick for 7 years ... and even when we
got a half respite it was done for the complete wrong reasons and not what
was morally right, so unfortunately I do have a rather large Bee in my
Bonnet on this one.

On a final note, unless someone has been meddling with the figures, the
correct figure is 14 ..... but about 11 of these are small stations
broadcasting in Army Barracks (etc)    there's one in Scotland and then Bay
and Tudno as far as I know ??   we were on the list up till 2 years ago and
then the commercial Station at the drop of a Hat got a power boost and then
'they'  the 'they'  said we could come out of the restrictions .... how very
nice of them.
Can I remind everyone that we are ALL in restrictions .. bureaucratic
nonsense restrictions .. 50% percents and £15,000 limits ... unless once
again I've missed something.

It's like looking over your shoulder all the time in a straight jacket.

Just drop the lot and regulate people on the spend and not the earn !

It is not difficult.

Lord Kimble is going to end up with a headache .... you never know, he might
take one look at it and say     ''who the hell thought this lot up ?''

Nick 

-----Original Message-----
From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
[mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of Phil Edmonds
Sent: 17 March 2015 17:15
To: cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio (Amendment) Order 2015, 2:30pm Tuesday
17th March, Consideration in Grand Committee - Lord Gardiner of Kimble

Interesting reading the CMA's briefing note.

A couple of observations, it says:
"CMA analysis indicates there to be 88 commercial stations
broadcasting to a population of fewer than 150,000). Out of these 88 
stations only 20 can be considered to be ‘genuinely independent’ "

I'd concur almost. The last Ofcom published information on coverage 
areas I've seen (dated 9 May 2013) lists 89 'Analogue local' licences 
with MCA's under 150k. You need to discount Nevis FM who surrendered 
their 'commercial' licence when awarded a Community Radio licence. 
Furthermore recently Radio Hafren ceased operation, leaving 87 stations.

However of these I'd classify eight of the small Scottish stations as 
"Community Radio stations with legacy 'ILR' licences". So that leaves 
only six small commercial radio stations who are 'independent" of a group.

I also quote from the CMA document
"The most significant change to previous restrictions on advertising and 
programme sponsorship revenue is the introduction of a threshold of 
£15,000 commercial revenue, below which the restrictions will no longer 
apply. This has two important effects.
First, it will allow 18 stations that were previously prevented from 
receiving such revenues, to receive up to £15,000."

I'd like to have a list of these 18 stations, as it's something that 
doesn't appear to be published by Ofcom. I'm trying to do some research 
into the "real world" effects of a community station near a small 
commercial station, but struggling to find a full list of CR's with 
restrictions.

Phil.

On 17/03/2015 10:46, Bill Best wrote:
> Dear Members and Supporters
>
> The Lords debate on the Community Radio (Amendment) Order 2015 takes
> place today:
>
> *Tuesday 17 March at 2.30pm*
> Community Radio (Amendment) Order 2015 Consideration in Grand Committee
> [Lord Gardiner of Kimble
> <http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/lords/lord-gardiner-of-kimble/4161>]
> 25th Report from the Joint Committee on Statutory Instruments
>
> http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld/ldordpap.htm
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> You might be able to watch it online here:
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> http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Lords
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> More specifically here:
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>
http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/7bc71488-225d-409e-b1f8-8bc009cc6da
d
>
> This is Part 1 of the debate; there is a fair chance that the Commons
> debate will be early the following week.
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> The CMA has prepared a supporting briefing note that has been sent to a
> selection of Peers. You may download this briefing from here:
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>
http://www.commedia.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Community_Radio_Amendm
ent_Order_2015-policy-briefing.pdf
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