[cma-l] FW: PRS PPL and DAB trials

Canalside's The Thread office at thethread.org.uk
Wed Jul 22 11:13:14 BST 2015 

Just to re-itterate, I'm actually more irritated with the reporting than the
actual charges ......so far as the charges and the idea of royalties go I
have my opinions, certainly in relation to organisations that are Charities
and nor-for-profit .....they should be exempt or at least have a one minimum
payment certainly lower than about £1200 quid

No more reports from this end or forms they are now in the bin bag

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From: Canalside's The Thread [mailto:office at thethread.org.uk] 
Sent: 21 July 2015 15:59
To: 'Canalside's The Thread'
Subject: RE: [cma-l] PRS PPL and DAB trials

I agree totally Phil .......this is all sounding very familiar. The people
who never seem to be considered in all these baloney rules are the actual
Community Stations themselves ... most of us who just limp along robbing
Peter to pay Paul.

As I have said before, I am a reasonable man, I will always look for common
sense and my rhetoric and approaches are always upfront, honest, sincere and
polite .there is however a reaction if the message coming back is
condescending and arrogant. You then have to play fire with fire.

We have made our decision now   re:- PPL/PRS   that's either with the CMA
and its members or without. We do it hopefully in the interest of all our
members, but naturally some will ''av-a-go'' some won't.

PRS/PPL will receive from us :-  1) the amount of tracks an hour that we
play of their clients    2) regular payment           after that, the rest
is pointless, serves no purpose and the report is nothing to report. So if
there is nothing to report, I certainly ain't going to waste my valuable
time reporting nothing. The rest quite frankly is none of their business.
Whether we have 25,000 listeners or one man and his Dog and my dear old Mum
has no bearing on the matter whatsoever, we are not here to make profit (and
we don't) and the NET figure is zero !    period ----   I would much rather
train ten youngsters than waste my time filling in forms.

I also stick by what I said last week which is that the Chimpanzees in Poole
or Chester could get their heads around it, so why can't they ?

It's pathetic and very frustrating just like half of the other barmy rules.

With reference to the actual topic itself ... whether there are more
listeners, less, the same or folk just listening to DAB instead of FM will
hardly make any difference to our Piggy-Banks. These folk are off with the
fairies, they are on a completely different wavelength (pardon the pun) and
they need to get out of their Ivory Towers and come and look at the real
World.

I suggest all of our other Stations and members do the same as us .. they
just might then get the message.

Just send them the cheque with a note saying ''NOTHING TO REPORT''  
''Merry Christmas''

Nick

-----Original Message-----
From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
[mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of office
Sent: 21 July 2015 12:58
To: cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk
Subject: [cma-l] PRS PPL and DAB trials

I spoke to PPL and PRS some time ago, and was assured that PRS would not 
be charging an additional fee for the DAB trials, but PPL definitely 
said they would.

Where do they think the money's coming from?

Do they think the DAB trial will bring in lots of new listeners, so that 
our advertisers will be prepared to pay more for the 9 months of the trial?

The answer is no!...which is why we decided against making an 
application for DAB trial.

None of the community or small stations will gain ANY significant 
listenership over and above their FM audience... even if some people do 
migrate to DAB, it will be to the detriment of FM, so NO increase in 
audience size, NO extra revenue, and NO exploitation value to PPL or PRS 
members. It's just GREED.

Phil Dawson
FANTASY RADIO 97FM
Devizes, Wiltshire



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> Bruce and all - I'm writing a piece on this for media.info.
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> PPL have told me that PRS have not waived any fee, and are, in fact,
> charging ?750. I'd be keen to understand whether that's the case, and
would
> appreciate, in confidence, any scans or copies of emails from PRS that
give
> me a little more certainty about what's gone on here.
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> //j
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> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:12 PM Bruce Rodger <bruce at celticmusicradio.net>
> wrote:
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>>
>> (should we be thinking about setting up  separate forum for those of us
>> involved in the small-scale DB trials?)
>>
>>
>> Has anyone had any discussion/negotiation regarding PPL and the
>> small-scale DAB pilot?
>>
>> Shortly after the announcement, PRS contacted us saying that there would
>> be no additional fees for the DAB pilot, assuming that the DAB service
was
>> a simulcast of our FM service. Good news.
>>
>> PPL, on the other hand, contacted us today saying there would be a
>> ?500+VAT license for the 9 month period.
>>
>> This is despite
>>
>>
>>     - the DAB service is a pilot
>>     - the DAB service is a simulcast of our FM service
>>     - the DAB service covers broadly the same area as our FM service
>>     - The 500+VAT for 9 months for a pilot/development service is
actually
>>     MORE than the equivalent fee for a production FM service!
(159/quarter)
>>
>>
>> Does anyone else have difficulty understanding how they justify this?
>>
>> Bruce.
>>
>>
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