[cma-l] RadioCentre unimpressed with community radio changes

Fri Jan 23 08:47:47 GMT 2015

Terry - Totally agree - especially on the Irish pirates point - they were a
great example of fully commercial *and* local/community. No grants there!

But for some reason the DCMS/Ofcom (and some people in the community radio
sector) have a very strict definition of community radio that is distinct
and separate from commercial radio.  Never the twain shall meet.

A true local, fully commercial operation could still be community radio.
It could also be slick and engaging to listen to - and the best community
stations manage to pull the latter off, if not the former due to the rules.

Alas though it's not to be, as illustrated by point 4 in their impact
assessment:-
"*4. Full deregulation - Not considered as it would turn community radio
into commercial radio undermining wider policy goals. Option 2 is the
prefered option"*

PS: Ian H - yes it is all a bit underwhelming isn't it!  Are you really
surprised? (be honest!)

Glyn Roylance
Principal Consultant
Associated Broadcast Consultants <http://a-bc.co.uk/blog/>

On 22 January 2015 at 20:05, CMA Forum <cma at nnbc.co.uk> wrote:

> http://iloapp.tdoyle.co.uk/blog/terrysthoughts?Home&post=58
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> Hi here's my latest blog on Community Radio Rules... hope you can publish on
> forum
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> Rgds
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> Terry Doyle
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> NNBC
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> *From:* cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk [mailto:
> cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *Canalside's The
> Thread
> *Sent:* 22 January 2015 18:50
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> *To:* 'The Community Media Association Discussion List'
> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] RadioCentre unimpressed with community radio
> changes
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> The middle bit is the key bit here           SOMEONE IN THE COMMERCIAL
> SECTOR DOESN'T HAVE A POINT
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> That has always been the point, my point, your point, the Community Radio
> point .... They don't have a point, never have and never will, there is no
> point.
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> Finally, has no one ever thought that if the rules go and the 50% even
> gets wavered, we could reduce our prices right down on an individual basis
> (which we do anyway)   and then business4es in the Community could run with
> both and it wouldn't cost that much more and then we would all be happy.
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> I am desperately trying to walk away from this debate and weigh up the
> options ... they ain't looking good at the minute. I can't walk away because
> I'm getting wound up again. I wanted to remain calm ..........why are words like
> 'cop-out'  'hoodwinked'   'shafted'    'conned'    'bottled out'
> springing to mind  ??     something must be amiss
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> I would like to receive an e-mail from someone / anyone who thinks this is
> brilliant !   I'm not going to argue or fall out as you are entitled to
> your opinion, and if you think that something has been gained (which I'm
> not sure if you add the others bits to the debate)    it's just a bit of a
> token gesture.
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> There's another one   'token gesture'
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> Thoughts please ?              obviously we have to be careful here that
> we don't undermine the efforts of Bill and Dom .... This is NOT a criticism
> of them, they have got out of this all that could be got out of it as it is
> the mindset at the top and the mindset in Government that has swerved. Well
> it hasn't, it was never on the straight and narrow from the outset.
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> Number 6 deserves a pat on the back for everyone though ...... and I mean
> everyone .they have moved well over half-way on that one.
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> Nick
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> *From:* cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk [
> mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
> <cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk>] *On Behalf Of *Geoff Rogers
> *Sent:* 22 January 2015 18:22
> *To:* The Community Media Association Discussion List
> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] RadioCentre unimpressed with community radio
> changes
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> Even the smallest commercial radio stations have advertising rates an
> order of magnitude higher than many (most?) Community Radio stations.  (I
> work in both sectors so I think I have the right to comment here.)
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> Therefore customers of Community Radio stations would be very unlikely to
> take out advertising on the local commercial station, so RadioCentre do not
> have a point here.
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> It's this kind of comment that further alienates commercial radio
> operators while co-operation between the two, can and does work.
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> These opinions are my own.
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> On 22 January 2015 at 16:58, Alan Coote <alan.coote at 5digital.co.uk> wrote:
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> "[CR] must offer something significantly different to the communities it
> serves";
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> True... I think many of my commercial radio friends would agree, that's a
> bit rich coming from the head of a sector which is better resourced and
> funded than CR, yet over the years has lacked innovation and all but erased
> any creativity.
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> Just a thought...
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> Alan
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> *From:* cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk [mailto:
> cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *Martin Steers
> *Sent:* 22 January 2015 14:46
> *To:* CMA-Mailing-List
> *Subject:* [cma-l] RadioCentre unimpressed with community radio changes
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> Via Radio Today:
> http://radiotoday.co.uk/2015/01/radiocentre-unimpressed-with-community-radio-changes/
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> RadioCentre, the industry body for commercial radio, says changes to the
> way community radio stations can fund themselves is a concern for
> commercial stations.
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> The Government today said
> <http://radiotoday.co.uk/2015/01/community-radio-order-updated/> the
> not-for-profit stations can now make the majority of its income from
> advertising, rather than the previous 50% rule.
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> Siobhan Kenny, Chief Executive of RadioCentre said: "This is a
> disappointing outcome and will be a real cause for concern for small
> commercial radio stations where margins are already squeezed.
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> "The changes proposed by the Department of Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS)
> risk blurring the lines between community and commercial stations and puts
> them in direct competition for limited local advertising, alongside local
> press, local television and online.
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> "Community radio can perform a valuable complementary role to commercial
> radio and the BBC, but it must offer something significantly different to
> the communities it serves. Any changes must be accompanied by a renewed
> emphasis on enforcement and compliance with the key commitments of these
> stations."
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> The Government's announcement follows a consultation carried out by the
> DCMS launched in February 2013.
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> More details on today's changes can be found here
> <http://radiotoday.co.uk/2015/01/community-radio-order-updated/>.
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