[cma-l] Community Radio Order
Canalside's The Thread
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Thu Jan 22 12:27:46 GMT 2015
Wonderful stuff Richard
You see Im not very good at explaining what I mean, but alas, there are one
or two out there who remotely hover on my wavelength.
We got there in the end.
The bottom bit also rings true
its like the fund, there will be members
who think we should have a grant making process/system and some should get
£25,000 whilst others get £6,000 and some have to wait 4 rounds before
getting £10,000 and some who still havent had anything
.. youll possibly
find though that the ones who keep their heads low and say this is the best
system are the ones who have waltzed off with the £25,000 ! in fact I
remember one Station a number of years ago getting £36,000 grand !? hence
why I talk about the Im alright Jack brigade its completely
opposite to what we are. We are here to try and support the underdog as
well.
Finally raking up the nonsense again
. You cant as a Government preach not
creating competition and placing restrictions in the way whilst at the same
time have the sector that is on the receiving end of the restrictions
COMPETITING amongst it members for Radio Fund money
it is a complete
hypocrisy and a contradictory argument
hence why I get reared up and
argumentative.
I dont get out of bed in a morning like this, it gets created for me by the
nonsense that we have been engulfed in for ten years. Im actually an OK guy
regardless what some of my correspondence may seem to spell out .
Best if I rest my case now I think and give someone else a go
Regards
Nick
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From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
[mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of Richard Berry
Sent: 22 January 2015 09:07
To: The Community Media Association Discussion List
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Order
I *think* I know what youre getting at Nick, and I agree with you. Audience
size is just one measure of success for our sector. We could also talk about
the number of people trained, diversity of content, or the voices that would
have otherwise been excluded. If we are to use RAJAR terminology, the
reach is important to some of us. A community station aimed at the whole
community should aim to reach everyone at some point in the year, or at
least the 5 year licence. To an extent we are like the local library, not
everyone comes, but they know where it is and that somewhere buried in the
shelves there will be something for them there. But better than that, if
there isnt they can put it there with our support. When it comes to clients
I think there is a different conversation to be had. For example, is there
benefit in being associated with a community station? And does that station
reach people who are not being reached by other local media? In most cases
the answers and yes and yes. Which brings us back to Pippas point. I
think there are multiple types of community stations, and multiple
approaches to running them. Some of us come from radio backgrounds, some
places like community arts and volunteering, and others directly into
community radio as helpers and presenters. Some stations want to sound like
good local radio stations (the way they used to be), for some its a place
of training, and others run diverse services where pop music is all but
banned. That is our core strength, we are different, well all probably not
agree on whats right, but we should support each other and build one
sector.
Whatever todays order says theres bound to be disappointment, but then
what one station dislikes about it, another may well celebrate as being the
one thing they were hoping for. As I say, were all different
.
And with that, back to work
Richard Berry
Senior Lecturer in Radio / Spark FM Station Manager
Room 101B, David Puttnam Media Centre,
University of Sunderland, SR6 0DD
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From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
[mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of Canalside's The
Thread
Sent: 21 January 2015 19:36
To: 'The Community Media Association Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Order
You see guys, sorry to appear to be looking for an argument, but all of this
ought to be irrelevant under the original launch of Community Radio. It is
the fact that we have less or more listeners or the same that causes the
problems. If we are going around saying we have more listeners than whoever
? then the restrictions kinda come into play. I know they shouldnt and I
know that if we have more listeners (or dont) it shouldnt matter. It ought
to have no bearing on it. Sadly it has had a bearing and my point weeks ago,
was that the message being sent out there now is all gobbledy gook.
Are we competing, are we not competing, if we are not ought we be, if we are
should we not be ?? its a shambles .I believe Community Radio should be
simplistic, it should be Que sera sera and restrictions should be no where
in sight. Whatever will be will be and we all deal with it.
I dont care if we have more or less listeners than Silk ..why ? because if
Community Radio was running how it is meant to be, we would have enough
funding from the Community Fund Pot, to pay for the essentials and core
costs. In otherwords, if we were 100% voluntary, with folk wandering in
willy nilly, we could still function in some way shape or form. This is with
or without a Station manager and/or someone on sales etc I
think this is how many saw Community Radio. Right or wrong, poor image or
good image, it shouldnt matter as we ought to be able to function even if
we are rag tag and bobtail.
Does everyone know where I am coming from here or am I waffling again ? I
feel that we have lost our way, but it isnt exactly our fault. What the
restrictions have done, along with the lack of financial support in the Pot
has distorted the whole Venture, hence why I was saying there is confusion.
It isnt confusion in the true sense of the word but I think a few shots in
own feet have taken place.
Keep it simple has been my message. I dont expect everyone to agree
.. but
??? Rajar shouldnt even be on the Radar, if that makes
sense. The moment we start asking to be placed on Rajar, I think we are
going away from our values. Were not here to compete, even though in a
roundabout way we are. We have to compete because the financial support has
been woeful
.. so is it a wonder why I reach for the defensive stick ??
If Im wrong here, please say so, thats fine by me no probs.
Nick
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From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
[mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of Two Lochs Radio
Sent: 21 January 2015 18:39
To: The Community Media Association Discussion List
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Order
Well done Paul!
>From RAJAR's latest available quarter that reach would put your listener
numbers ahead of at least 20 of the commercial stations that are RAJAR
subscribers, including Smooth Radio Essex, and ahead of many more that don't
pay RAJAR!
Alex
RAJAR quarter ending Sep 2014
Station
Reach
Eagle Extra
3,000
Fire Radio South Coast
4,000
Connect DAB
7,000
Radio Ceredigion
16,000
107.8 Arrow FM for Hastings
17,000
107 JACK fm (Reading 107FM)
18,000
The Breeze (Cheltenham)
18,000
107.6 Banbury Sound
18,000
Free Radio 80s (Shropshire)
19,000
Rugby FM
20,000
Lakeland Radio
20,000
107.5 Sovereign Radio
21,000
96.2 Touch FM - Coventry
22,000
Time FM 106.6
23,000
North Norfolk Radio
23,000
Radio Exe
24,000
Pulse 2
26,000
3FM
26,000
Smooth Radio Essex
28,000
Oak FM
28,000
Smooth Radio Devon
29,000
Cheshire's Silk 106.9
29,000
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Golder <mailto:paul at pvg.co.uk>
To: The Community Media Association <mailto:cma-l at mailman.commedia.org.uk>
Discussion List
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio Order
I've contracted with a private market research firm a few times since we
took to the airwaves full time in 2007.
We're currently getting a 20% weekly reach which implies about 30,000
listeners a week. Our website visitor figures (over 200,000 per month, with
12,000 a month viewing the schedule and local events pages) seem to make
sense in this context.
I wasn't aware that RAJAR was skewed towards its members' areas, which would
make any extrapolation of the "other radio listening" figure quite
meaningless.
It's natural for CR to be defensive with the suggestion that CR has half a
million listeners - but I'm just not buying it. That's only an average of
2,000 per station - I could probably NAME at least 3,000 people who engage
with us regularly!
Cheers
Paul
Phoenix FM
www.phoenixfm.com
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