[cma-l] the Community Radio Toolkit Needs You!

Thu Sep 18 10:16:29 BST 2014

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I also save all my emails to Gmail which gives me a quick search of
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Hope that helps and best regards

Bill
-- 
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On 18 September 2014 09:43, Associated Broadcast Consultants <
info at a-bc.co.uk> wrote:

> I agree - for example for a while the old community radio toolkit forum
> (the one before the one that's there now) was available as an archive.
> There was (is) a wealth of information available there - and much of the
> information is the type that does not rapidly go out of date.  Lots of
> advice from people with hands-on experience, lots of ideas, suggestions
> etc.
>
> A bulletin board/forum with good search options seems a great way to file
> this kind of information.  The difficulty is, how to build an active forum
> up from the current, rather stale situation?   I think Community Radio
> Toolkit website is the right direction, but perhaps with better execution
> and more promotion.   It does not have to cost money - there are lots of
> people - Like Alex and me, who give information and advice for free!
>
> This email forum is fine for some tasks, but to me I feel "blind" if I
> wanted to reference something I recall seeing 6 months or a year ago for
> example.
>
> --
> Glyn Roylance - Principal Consultant
> Associated Broadcast Consultants <http://www.a-bc.co.uk/>
>
> On 17 September 2014 21:47, tlr at gairloch.co.uk <tlr at gairloch.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>  I wouldn't advocate the use of  the mailing list - bulletin boards work
>> far better for mutual help/advice etc, and are much easier to find relevant
>> past discussions and review them - email is just not suited. Nor in my
>> opinion is Facebook - it has no decent user control of archiving, public
>> searching etc, recategorizing of posts etc.
>>
>> I have come across numerous BBs that have proved of enduring value when
>> searching for answers to a specific problem in various fields. Facebook
>> posts would not appear in such searches, and the 'conversation' can be very
>> fragmented, with parts of it only available to its participants or
>> followers of wherever it was posted. It needs quite an advanced mental
>> model of Facebook to be able to track third party postings and threads.
>>
>> And of course, Facebook does not automatically alert
>> followers/friends/members to all posts on a particular page or topic or
>> from a particular person, even a 'friend' -  a lot of people think that it
>> does, but it is selective through highly opaque algorithms that change form
>> time to time. Fine for a social network, but not for a professional or
>> long-term support forum.
>>
>> But no reason not to use FB as one of several ways to bring it to
>> people's attention.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>> On 17 September 2014 at 00:33 Alan Coote <alan.coote at 5digital.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  I absolutely agree an email list such as this works and it saves
>> logging into yet another forum, many of which have suffered over the years
>> from lack of use; Media UK for example used to be the place to go for us
>> radio nuts!
>>
>>
>>
>> However, I wonder how many new subscribers there are to an email list
>> like this as it’s difficult to find?  Would it be useful for the strategic
>> use of landing pages and Facebook etc to be used for attracting new
>> subscribers.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
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>> *From:* cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk [mailto:
>> cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *Bill Best
>> *Sent:* 16 September 2014 16:05
>> *To:* cma-l at commedia.org.uk
>> *Subject:* Re: [cma-l] the Community Radio Toolkit Needs You!
>>
>>
>>
>> Well... We currently have an active forum supporting people who do
>> community radio - and you're using it!
>>
>> At the Community Media Association we've thought long and hard over the
>> years about setting up an alternative forum - but then we would be moving
>> the conversations away from this list to another location and splitting the
>> conversation.  I think we've all seen plenty of user forums that have died
>> a death through lack of activity.
>>
>> We still use Mailman for this list because basically email works.  We
>> could have a secret members-only forum run from the website using the
>> latest technology - but we prefer to run open mailing lists as it fits with
>> our ethos to facilitate the free exchange of knowledge and information.
>> Email is quick, simple, cheap and everybody knows how to use it.
>>
>> This list receives no funding and is run on a 'best endeavours' basis by
>> the CMA - the cost of which is borne by the organisation.
>>
>> These days there are so many competing forums and channels, especially
>> when social media is also considered, that we think it is a good idea to
>> stick with a tried and tested reliable technology such as email. And we
>> will occasionally use Twitter to draw attention to something on this
>> mailing list - if you're not already one of the 7500+ followers that we
>> currently have on Twitter <https://twitter.com/community_media> then do
>> follow us.
>>
>> I think we have an excellent resource with the CMA-L mailing list - let's
>> continue to use it well!
>>
>> And stay tuned for some upcoming news exclusive to this mailing list of
>> an opportunity to tender for producing some radio advertisements for a
>> careers event to be broadcast commercially. You won't get to hear of this
>> anywhere else!
>>
>> Best regards for now
>>
>> Bill
>> --
>> Operations Manager
>> Community Media Association
>> http://www.commedia.org.uk/
>> https://twitter.com/community_media
>> http://www.facebook.com/CommunityMediaAssociation
>>
>> Canstream Internet Radio & Video
>> http://www.canstream.co.uk/
>> https://twitter.com/canstream
>>
>>
>> On 16 September 2014 15:20, Associated Broadcast Consultants <
>> info at a-bc.co.uk> wrote:
>> > I agree to a certain extent - the problem occurred with the move to the
>> > "new" format website.  From what I recall you had to re-register on the
>> > site, and it seemed many active contributors were lost at that point.
>> >
>> > Another problem is the landing page on the new site after login.  Even
>> > though you may have clicked on the Forum tab at the top, after login
>> you are
>> > redirected to another page called "Activity" which actually seems an
>> > oxymoron because it does not seem very active!  At this stage I reckon
>> new
>> > sign-ups might give up - assuming the forum is not active.
>> >
>> > I agree there should be an active forum supporting people who do
>> community
>> > radio.  I have at times thought about setting one up myself, but really
>> I
>> > think it's best if such a forum is hosted on an independent website like
>> > this one or CMA.
>> >
>> > Having said that, even the Media UK forum seems less active than it
>> used to
>> > be - maybe Forums are not "where it's at" nowadays?
>> >
>> > Glyn
>> >
>> > --
>> > Glyn Roylance - Principal Consultant
>> > Associated Broadcast Consultants
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 15 September 2014 19:34, Bruce Rodger <bruce at celticmusicradio.net>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Phil,
>> >>
>> >> I hope my comments will be taken as constructive criticism - as you
>> will
>> >> remember I was a regular participant in the original toolkit forum, but
>> >> since the re-vamp my contributions - and pretty much everyone else’s -
>> have
>> >> mostly dried up. We need to fix that, and I’m not convinced funding
>> will
>> >> resolve that.
>> >>
>> >> I do support what we’re trying to do with the toolkit - it’s a very
>> >> worthwhile project (note the “we” there….)
>> >>
>> >> The one thing that surprises me about the community radio scene in the
>> UK
>> >> is that there is no active web forum. Think about just about any
>> >> hobby/sport/pastime/activity, search around a bit, and you’ll find a
>> wealth
>> >> of volunteer-run web forums. Whether it’s Land Rover maintenance, or
>> theatre
>> >> technology, or skateboarding, or hillwalking, or photography, or
>> people who
>> >> live in a certain town, or one-legged blind naturists….. you get the
>> idea.
>> >>
>> >> I’m involved with several, and they’ve grow from being initially a
>> place
>> >> where like minded people could chat, through being a repository of
>> useful
>> >> information and knowledge, to being the de-facto reference site for any
>> >> technical or non-tech queries on that subject. In one that I am
>> involved
>> >> with, we have an active membership ranging from school kid know-it-all
>> >> wannabe’s through to industry professionals at the apex of their
>> profession.
>> >>
>> >> It’s not funding that makes these work - the web hosting is often paid
>> by
>> >> google adverts, or out of the pockets of the admin team. There are no
>> paid
>> >> admins, authors or moderators - it’s done by the community, simply
>> because
>> >> it’s THEIR community.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The toolkit is never going to happen without formal funding - but what
>> our
>> >> community lacks is a community forum. Which is a bit sad, bearing in
>> mind
>> >> that community is what we’re all about! It doesn’t take money, it just
>> takes
>> >> a bit of time and some community buy-in.
>> >>
>> >> Bruce.
>> >>
>> >> (ps - I made up the bit about one-legged blind naturists. I don’t
>> think it
>> >> exists - unless one of you know different?)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Bruce Rodger
>> >> Celtic Music Radio 95fm
>> >> bruce at celticmusicradio.net
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 15 Sep 2014, at 16:11, Phil Korbel <phil at radioregen.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Bruce
>> >>
>> >> The site is un-funded and we've not had the resources to support new
>> >> content or the forum.
>> >>
>> >> Watch this space for the re-launch...
>> >>
>> >> Would hate to see you when you're being critical ;)
>> >>
>> >> best wishes
>> >>
>> >> Phil
>> >>
>> >> Phil Korbel FRSA - Director, Radio Regen, charity no. 1077763
>> >>
>> >> www.radioregen.org
>> >> www.communityradiotoolkit.net
>> >> www.connecttransmit.org.uk
>> >>
>> >> Please note that I work at Radio Regen under 2 days a week so responses
>> >> might not be as quick as we'd like.  Many thanks.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 15 September 2014 14:51, Bruce Rodger <bruce at celticmusicradio.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Phil writes: "...The much loved Community Radio Toolkit is
>> re-launching
>> >>> soon "...
>> >>>
>> >>> I really don't want to be a wet blanket here - but I've got to ask.
>> Is it
>> >>> really "much loved"? The document itself is fine, but the website
>> aint.
>> >>>
>> >>> The "Forum" section - which is potentially one of the most valuable
>> and
>> >>> useful areas - has had 3 posts this year, the last one 3 months ago.
>> The
>> >>> "News" section has had 3 posts this year, and the "Feature" section -
>> which
>> >>> claims "Every now and then we put the spotlight on a different
>> community
>> >>> radio subject. These features allow us to look at particular topics
>> in more
>> >>> depth, with articles, website links and interactive contributions from
>> >>> members" - has not been updated in four and a half years.
>> >>>
>> >>> I don't find it a particularly user-friendly experience.
>> >>>
>> >>> Before the last "rebranding", it was quite a useful resource, with an
>> >>> active forum. But I'm now just a very occasional visitor, and any
>> time I do
>> >>> visit, I get the feeling that the only footprints in the sand are the
>> ones I
>> >>> made last time I visited.
>> >>>
>> >>> It's a concept with great potential, but needs more buy-in and
>> >>> participation from the community to make it work.
>> >>>
>> >>> Bruce.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 15 September 2014 11:04, Phil Korbel <phil at radioregen.org> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi colleagues
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The much loved Community Radio Toolkit is re-launching soon -
>> allowing
>> >>>> far easier access to our huge free library of 'how to' resources for
>> the
>> >>>> sector.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> As you'll know if you've delved there - it has a lot of writing in
>> it -
>> >>>> which looked great on the printed page and pdf's but frankly runs
>> the risk
>> >>>> of looking a tad dull on a web page so - we need more pictures!  If
>> you'd
>> >>>> like a name-check on the new site and have a photo or cartoon that
>> really
>> >>>> says something about community radio would like to share it with us
>> - and
>> >>>> the sector?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> No prizes - this is just about sharing.  Please send images by email
>> to
>> >>>> this address in the next couple of weeks along with a short caption
>> and
>> >>>> photographer credit if required.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> More news about the re-launch soon
>> >>>>
>> >>>> best wishes
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Phil
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Phil Korbel FRSA - Director, Radio Regen, charity no. 1077763
>> >>>>
>> >>>> www.radioregen.org
>> >>>> www.communityradiotoolkit.net
>> >>>> www.connecttransmit.org.uk
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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