[cma-l] DCMS consultation meetings on amendments to communityradio law

Wed Oct 19 11:40:50 BST 2011

I do agree that as a sector we need to come together, and your also right
that all stations should be standing together, I suspect we sort of fall
into the "I'm alright Jack" (although we do want a slightly better
coverage), however we will still stand together as part of the CMA to say
that CR needs looking at and adjusting by Gov / DCMS.

On another point however I wanted to correct, the UKRadioPlayer which I
think you are referring to is a great opportunity for community radio
stations. It provides a standard player that listeners are getting used to
and also a search feature that if setup right will drive listeners into your
station, we know that for us if people put in Luton we should come top,
above the BBC and Commercial stations.. also the stats will be made
available to stations, and as we have seen with absolute they say they have
grown listenership away from the BBC (and some BBC data released say they
have lost online listenership because of the player).

So I would look into the UK Radio Player if you are a community station!.

Martin

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:20 AM, London Chinese Radio <
admin at londonhuayu.co.uk> wrote:

> I agree with Nick too, to some extent. And also with Ian. And Roger. Hmmm,
> that makes me quite an agreeable person!
>
> As for effective communication, I often wonder why we are all ranting to
> each other, and what use that is?
> But actually it is the right place, because its the CMA forum, and they are
> the ones that should be taking our message on.
>
> However, I also despair, as Nick points out, that there are a lot of "I'm
> alright Jacks" around, and the problem is that people will whinge and rant
> until they get what they want, be it a license, some funding, some change in
> broadcasting regulations that affects them directly in a positive way.
>
> The problem is, then they're alright, Jack. Even if everybody else isn't.
> The CMA doesn't have enough welly because membership of the CMA contains
> very little in the way of obligation. If it were like a union, the CMA could
> go up to whoever-it-is and say "right, we're not going to stand for this and
> we have 128 stations behind us". But they can't and the people we are up
> against know this and are laughing. And that's why they don't take us
> seriously. The BBC, and umbrella commercial radio outfits are organised in
> that way. And they have effective lobbying, and so can get regulation past
> (such as the 50% rule) that should never have existed.
>
> The example I particularly take issue with is how all the CMA members are
> going to the BBC iRadio, while the CMA player, which we should be
> supporting, flounders. It's a crying shame, because if we acted together the
> CMA player would contain much more content of original and diverse nature
> than the iRadio. Plus we wouldn't be all donating all our listening
> statistics, in glorious detail, to the BBC to help them make sure their
> radio / choice of music is more spot on than ours (and I CMA stations don't
> get access to all that data).
>
> Anyway, I didn't want to turn this into a rant. I just wanted to point out
> the need for unity.
>
>
> Best
>
>
> Peter Vautier
> London Chinese Radio
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Ian Hickling <transplanfm at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> OK Roger - I *was* joking!
>> Regarding this:
>>
>>
>> *CR is being badly treated by the authorities. Why should commercial
>> businesses be protected by law from the activities of community projects?
>> It’s nonsense*.
>>
>> I agree!
>> But we all knew about that from the very beginning.
>> Did we complain then?
>> Have we been complaining continuously ever since?
>> What results have we seen?
>> What does this tell you about effective communication?
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> *Ian Hickling
>> **Partner*
>>
>> *transplan UK*
>>
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>> From: rj.thorne at btinternet.com
>> To: cma-l at commedia.org.uk
>> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 23:13:16 +0100
>>
>> Subject: Re: [cma-l] DCMS consultation meetings on amendments to
>> communityradio law
>>
>>  Please don’t speak for me - I’m not fed up with his moaning,  though I’d
>> say that “ranting” is a better description of Nick’s posts at times!  As is
>> regularly pointed out he can be inaccurate, and certainly often comes out of
>> left-field.  But usually worth a read even if just for the entertainment.
>>
>>
>>
>> Underneath it all though the man is correct. CR is being badly treated by
>> the authorities. Why should commercial businesses be protected by law from
>> the activities of community projects? It’s nonsense.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would pay money to be a fly on the wall at a meeting between Nick and
>> the DCMS.....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk [mailto:
>> cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ian Hickling
>>
>> *Sent:* 18 October 2011 14:18
>> *To:* office at ccr-fm.co..uk <office at ccr-fm.co.uk>; Alan Coote; cma-l
>>
>> *Subject:* [cma-l] DCMS consultation meetings on amendments to
>> communityradio law
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> I'm going to do this in public, because we're all fed up with your
>> moaning.
>> No - actually - we do appreciate what you're saying.
>> Let's get some facts into this.
>>
>> Firstly - about Key 103 - if it is that causing the problem.
>> That's on 103,0 at 347 metres AOD and an antenna elevation of 40m with an
>> aggregate 4kW on Saddleworth Moor and you're on 102,8 with 25W at 153m AOD
>> and 34m antenna elevation and an aggregate 48W at Bolligton - 27km due south
>> with a complete geological signal block anywhere to the east of you.
>> 103,0 is second adjacent to you, which providing you're both within
>> specification, means no part of your transmission envelopes overlap more
>> than at -60dB.
>> That is one millionth of full power level.
>>
>> So - any cross-talk you're getting can only be attributed - forgive me for
>> being blunt - to the use of crap radio receivers.
>> I'm sure you wouldn't want legislation introduced  to allow for that?
>> No fault of the rules, the broadcasters or of Ofcom.
>> There is a possible solution of moving your frequency either one channel
>> further away from Key 103 or somewhere entirely different - but that's a
>> much bigger exercise as I'm sure you'll understand.
>>
>> Secondly - the so-called "crackle crackle hiss hiss crackle" is not being
>> generated by you or by them.
>> It's your radio picking up other random signals which are of a level
>> higher than the wanted one..
>>
>> This may be because of low signal strength - or again the radio itself -
>> or more likely its aerial aystem.
>> Again, not the fault of the rules, the broadcasters or of Ofcom.
>>
>> Thirdly - your idea of upping power by 1W at a time. Beside it being
>> completely outside any concept of engineering planning logic, it would do no
>> good at all. Power (allied with propagation format) gets you penetration;
>> height gets you range. So - to increase coverage area you'll need to
>> provide your antenna with a better view of its target. Therefore more height
>> - or an entirely new location. That's always assuming that you are actually
>> emitting your full ERP, which in itself may be part of the problem.
>>
>> Look - buy me a decent lunch and I'll spend a day with you looking at the
>> problem and I'll do you a Spectrum Audit Scan which will show just how near
>> or effective other broadcasters are. And I'll analyse your problem
>> crackle/hiss areas too.
>> Then we might be able to come up with a good practical sound engineering
>> solution.
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> *Ian Hickling
>> **Partner*
>>
>> *transplan UK*
>>
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