[cma-l] Fwd: reflections on the CMA conference

Wed Jun 15 13:33:26 BST 2011

I havent really had chance to reply to the original message.. (So sorry for
jumping in now)

Its worth mentioning that its not the BBC Radio Player its a colabartive
venture between commerical radio and the BBC (With slight input from the CMA
and SRA).

I say again what I said at the weekend, its only just started and didnt even
launch with a full list of all commerical stations, the number of stations
is growing and growing (including Student and Community stations), and now
apparently they are considering RSL which is fantastic.

However the problem they would have over internet radio (non ofcom licensed)
is a question of regulation etc, how many online stations might not have the
full set of linceses they require (PPL, PRS etc), how many online stations
dont operate in realion to the Broadcast Code or the ASA Code (advertising)?
Without someone monitoring and safeguarding the system who would set and
enforce the critiea for entry into the system.. Could I setup a online radio
station from my house and demand that its on the radio player..

The biggest problem would be (as I said on saturday) would be people like
the Daily Mail hearing that x internet station is on the player but is
promoting Islamic fundamentalism? Drings, Drungs, Crime? Imagine the field
day they would have..

The CMA player (Mobile only as far as I know, but with plans to expland) is
a great opportunity for online stations, but there is also hundreds of lists
and platforms for online radio and I would recommend that you get yourself
listed on them all..

I support the current position at present, but then again I also believe
that internet radio should be regulated.. so there you go..

Martin

2011/6/15 London Chinese Radio <admin at londonhuayu.co.uk>

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> From: London Chinese Radio <admin at londonhuayu.co.uk>
> Date: 2011/6/15
> Subject: Re: [cma-l] reflections on the CMA conference
> To: Tony Bailey <studio at ravensoundradio.co.uk>, l at mailman.commedia.org.uk,
> Community Media Association <cma at commedia.org.uk>
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>
> Hi Tony,
>
> I'm guessing so, at least there should be another body to judge whether a
> station is worthy to go on (ie not Ofcom, which licenses pirate stations
> ahead of outfits that have been towing the line and paying the bills). Maybe
> the CMA itself?
>
> But what I think we need to tell the CMA is that they need to negotiate
> properly, instead of being pleasant all the time. They need to be aware that
> the BBC Radio Player needs to community sector if it is to reach its goal
> of getting "all radio stations in the UK" in one place. So the CMA can
> really sink this ship. If the CMA don't get on board the BBC's boat then
> it's really game over for their radio player.
>
> I don't think they are aware of how fragile the BBC's position is here. And
> how strong a bargaining position the CMA are in, especially since the CMA
> player is out now.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Peter
>
>
> 2011/6/15 Tony Bailey <studio at ravensoundradio.co.uk>
>
>> G'day Peter,
>>
>> Thanks for the narrative, and the trip down memory lane back to a time
>> when the CRA meant something in London - before they sold out and shut
>> up shop.  Presumably the CMA Player will be members and canstream only?
>>
>> Regards,  Tony Bailey
>>
>>
>>
>> London Chinese Radio wrote:
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > It was a good AGM on Saturday, although I tried to find those who
>> > wandered off to the pub afterwards, but couldn't find you. In the end
>> > gave up and went home - had a headache anyway...
>> >
>> > Something nagging at the back of my mind forces me to write...
>> >
>> > I brought up a question (twice) about why online only radio stations are
>> > being excluded from the BBC radio player, and the response I got has got
>> > me wondering:
>> >
>> > Jacqui got some titters from the audience when she said (twice) that
>> > most (or a lot) of online radio is "crap" - a semi-profane word which
>> > may seem amusing, but also reveals an attitude towards online radio
>> > operations and their work. And attempts to paint a huge sector with the
>> > same brush. I wonder how much of these stations she actually listens to?
>> >  I don't think she listens to much. (because she thinks they are
>> 'crap').
>> >
>> > So, as a member of the CMA, I was hoping that they would be campaigning
>> > on my and other online radio stations behalf. However, I think I will be
>> > disappointed here, because if that is the attitude towards online radio,
>> > I shouldn't build my hopes up. And that's a pity, because I think online
>> > radio is where the future is. I know a lot of people will disagree here,
>> > but I really think the internet has changed society, and will change
>> > radio too.
>> >
>> > I would like to challenge the view that internet radio is crap, not just
>> > because of the wealth of excellent radio content out there, but also
>> > because I have a logical argument:
>> > Online only stations are not having to run FM licenses, and have no duty
>> > to ensure every second of airtime is filled, however meaninglessly, so
>> > they have the leisure to take time and properly produce feature
>> > programmes, including narration, interviews, sound bites, etc. This
>> > takes a long time, but it is something that online only stations can do.
>> > Also, many online radio stations provide niche content that serving
>> > particular communities.
>> >
>> > Now, when I think about 'crap' I can think of output by licensed
>> > stations that is also crap, including even the BBC, who don't want
>> > 'crap' on their player. Stuff like prank calls by Johnathan Ross and
>> > Russell Brand to name a specific example. (it's a long time ago, but I
>> > don't listen to BBC radio, there's too much good alternative content out
>> > there). But these stations are all allowed on the radio player because
>> > they are 'licensed' by Ofcom. Ofcom, oh dear, Ofcom. One quango that
>> > really shouldn't have survived the govt cuts. Don't even get me started
>> > on that.... ('not fit for purpose' springs to mind)...
>> >
>> > As I mentioned at the meeting, it seems to me that the only purpose I
>> > can think of for the BBC Radio Player's existence is to exclude a huge
>> > swathe of radio stations in one foul swoop. This can be seen in its
>> > claim to put all of UK radio stations in one place. Handy. Yup, a very
>> > handy way for an organisation that was opposed to the community radio
>> > sector from the outset to do away with a huge number of online stations.
>> > So why on earth is the CMA supporting it?
>> >
>> > Anyway, out of that disappointing discussion came a beam of light from
>> > the audience. The CMA radio player. Someone pointed out that the CMA's
>> > new player is out, and could be positioned as a competitor to the BBC
>> > Radio Player. The CMA radio player has several  advantages, no least the
>> > fact that the CMA doesn't have to enter into long negotiations with the
>> > BBC to try (or not, as the case may be) to get community stations
>> > (online or licensed). The CMA radio player could be a lot cheaper (if
>> > not free) for stations using Canstream.
>> > In fact, why on earth is the CMA on one hand developing its own radio
>> > player, and on the other hand encouraging stations to join the BBC Radio
>> > Player which will be in direct competition with it?
>> >
>> > I think that we should all back the CMA Radio Player. It's one really
>> > good thing that the CMA have come up with. Disregarding everything I
>> > have written just now, I still believe that the CMA are genuine about
>> > furthering the community sector, and and have our best interests at
>> > heart. I don't think the BBC ever was or ever will be, and I really
>> > think the CMA should be more aware of the thousands of volunteers and
>> > thousands of hours of hard work and top quality radio, from both online
>> > and licensed radio that they are representing. And bearing that in mind
>> > the CMA should be far more assertive instead of worrying about upsetting
>> > their contacts.
>> >
>> > 'nuff said
>> >
>> >
>> > Peter Vautier
>> > London Chinese Radio
>> >
>> >
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