[cma-l] 5km coverege

Thu Oct 14 15:54:33 BST 2010

Dear All

Once again guys 

.. forgive me if I’ve missed something ??
there is no point asking for something that you know you ain’t gonna’ get.
It’s not the asking that is the problem, it is the rule.

Our reception has gone worse over the past twelve months because we believe
some bugger else has turned theirs UP !  (power)     we think we know who it
is as well. Unfortunately, banging heads against brick walls and flogging
dead horses springs to mind.

These commercial stations are bully boys 

.. nothing more / nothing less

 they’re bullies 

 furthermore, they bleedin’ big babies as well.

Our signal is pathetic and we have lost hundreds even thousands of listeners

.. we have done research 
 our own !

When one is asking   Who do listen to ?      Why don’t you listen to us etc
etc etc and 71% of the answers come back with ‘’coz’ we can’t pick you up or
your reception is bobbins’’       then it is time for a re-think 

If the answer was 

. We don’t like what you do 
 that is understandable
and acceptable 

 point number one is NEVER acceptable and never will
be.

Regards

Nick

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From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
[mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of mark polden
Sent: 12 October 2010 21:11
To: transplanfm at hotmail.com; alan.coote at btinternet.com; phil at radioregen.org
Cc: cma-l at commedia.org.uk
Subject: [cma-l] 5km coverege

We are on medium wave and are still governed by this stupid rule.

We are a religious station and we believe that there should be some
commonsense shown as we are serving a "community of special interest" not a
geographical community and as we are on MW within reason there is no real
need for a cap on output power. They have also put us within 20mhz of
another commercial station which broadcasts from a transmitter within 5km of
ours at 40 times the power. This is making any progress forward practically
impossible.

mark polden

flame ccr

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From: transplanfm at hotmail.com
To: alan.coote at btinternet.com; phil at radioregen.org
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 10:50:01 +0000
CC: cma-l at commedia.org.uk
Subject: [cma-l] Community Radio 50% Rules

Alan
I'd like to separate out these points:

1 - As far as the TX 5km radius is concerned, that one size fits all is
illogical.  

With greater flexibility Community of interest stations would become more
viable with the ability to attract more listeners over larger areas.
Community by location stations would not suffer the embarrassment of people
saying I would listen but I can’t get your station on my radio. 

There is no restriction that you allude to as I've said previously. The
choice is yours on Application.

It's up to you entrely to specify your Community and specify how you propose
covering it.

City stations have been awarded 100+100 W because they asked for it and
proposed justification.

We get that kind of complaint from potential listeners all the time.

They have to be educated into how to do it.

The sensible well-run stations do precisely that.

I know there are large part of the south east where there is no scope, but
we are someway off squeezing the last ounce out of the VHF band elsewhere.

There is plenty of scope - Ofcom just isn't motivated to find it. Again, the
onus is on the Appliacnt to do the advance work and find a channel. It's not
difficult and it does work. You just have to talk to the right people with
the knowledge and capability.

Ian

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From: alan.coote at btinternet.com
To: phil at radioregen.org
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:33:22 +0100
CC: cma-l at commedia.org.uk
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio 50% Rules

Hi Phil,

I’m not suggesting that social gain is nuts, just that it does not make any
sense tying it to revenue streams. 

For example; how about using the current method to using Social Gain to
derive simplified Key Commitments (let for argument sake say  5 or 6) – This
is the equivalent of commercial radios format but is focused on outputs. 

Each Key Commitment has a metric which is reported annually. That’s all
that’s needed very simple, reportable and measurable.

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As far as the TX 5km radius is concerned, that one size fits all is
illogical. 

With greater flexibility Community of interest stations would become more
viable with the ability to attract more listeners over larger areas.
Community by location stations would not suffer the embarrassment of people
saying I would listen but I can’t get your station on my radio. 

I know there are large part of the south east where there is no scope, but
we are someway off squeezing the last ounce out of the VHF band elsewhere. 

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Rather than write endlessly how bad things are we need to do something about
it. Is there any chance of setting up a group with the purpose of making
things happen? I’m happy to be a part of that process.

Alan

Alan Coote

Managing Director 

The Bay Radio

Office 01202 580200

Studio 01202 571028

Mobile 07801 518858

Email alan.coote at thebayradio.com

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From: Phil Korbel [mailto:phil.korbel at googlemail.com] 
Sent: 11 October 2010 8:08 PM
To: Alan Coote
Cc: CMA-L
Subject: Re: [cma-l] Community Radio 50% Rules

I'm not the one to comment on the signal strength argument...

but the idea of preserving the social gain part of community radio isnt nuts
- and a mixed revenue stream is a very good way of securing that.  If we
back off from that concept [and I'm not arguing about a move to e.g. 40%]
some CR operators will move even more fully to a quasi commercial model with
even less prime time for community output.  

That said, regulation by output is a possible way forward but would still
need policing... any ideas anyone?

bests

Phil

On 11 October 2010 16:30, Alan Coote <alan.coote at btinternet.com> wrote:

Hi Phil,

I can’t see how one can conceivably argue that restricting a revenue stream
to 50% is a benefit either to the station or its community. 

Ofcom, manage commercial radio on their output not on their input and even
they say they are over regulated! They manage to write a format in a couple
of sentences and yet we have pages.  

What a totally nuts situation we have, that the organisations most likely to
provide a community benefit are hamstrung by over regulation and come to
that fixed  coverage which bears no relation to local need or topography.

Clearly there needs to be some regulatory limits, so let create a minimum
set of rules that deliver community benefits.    

Alan

PS More proof; If a Community Station provides a service on DAB it is not
regulated in the same way, BUT yet again is the poor relation to commercial
radio as at least they get an automatic extension to their FM licence –
truly Bonkers!!!!

From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
[mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of Phil Korbel
Sent: 11 October 2010 12:22 PM
To: CMA-L

Subject: [cma-l] Community Radio 50% Rules

Good call Murray

Last year, I was sat with Ed Richards [CEO Ofcom] at Wythenshawe FM with a
few other local licence holders and he asked us - unbidden - what we thought
of the 50% rule.  I expected a bit of a ruck from the stations that had spot
ads and sponsorship cental to their business plan - but there was none.
Indeed one ex ILR head [who I'd expected to lead the charge] said he was
happy with the rule - because of the 'in kind' rule in main.  

I was part of the original lobby for sector's founding legislation and we
proposed the 50% rule as a safeguard for a 'mixed economy' - to ensure that
stations would not have to go for biggest audience/lowest common denominator
- as they would if reliant solely on commercial revenue. Of course this does
deprive some stations of vital revenue so the challenge I'd put back is -
what other means could there be to ensure that the essential 'social gain'
character of the sector is not lost?  And that cant be by more rigorous
policing of the Key Commitements as we're likely to see a very different
[shrunk?] Ofcom.  Perhaps a different number other than 50%?

And besides - isnt the headlong retreat from local output by many of the
main commercial operators opportunity enough?

So, let's have light touch regulation that preserves our distinctiveness -
but please dont make the mistake of thinking that a solely advert funded
station will be able to deliver social gain in the same way as a mixed
economy one...  As Zane Ibrahim famously said - dont make your stations
popular - make them necessary!

bests

Phil

[who now battens down the hatches...]

On 10 October 2010 18:49, Murray Dawson <murraywdawson at gmail.com> wrote:

Alan,

I feel that the changes to the 50% rule now leaves a fair amount of
flexibility to ensure that Community Radio stations can develop on a sound
financial footing - without 'selling out' by going down the commercial ad
driven route.

Our organisation works across a range of community media formats, which
allows us even greater flexibility, as it's the income of the company that
is measured.  Therefore every grant we get for another area of the
organisations work means the rule becomes less and less relevant to us (and
in any case we had 14,000 hrs of volunteering last year, and had no
commercial adverts).

I did have a major issue with the original rule though - and it cost our
organisation heavily as we had to scale back our original Big Lottery bid to
a figure which I felt we could match 50/50 - this is no longer the case
though.

So my recommendation - diversification......

Where I do have a serious problem with the 'rules' though is with the power
and range we can transmit.  
Why should we be restricted to a fraction of the power of the commercials?  
In Aberdeen, we are in a situation where a large proportion of our target
communities don't get reception - or get a very poor reception, and the
commercials still moan to Ofcom that our reach is too far!  
Too far for what?  
We're not interested in stealing their revenues or audience - the opposite
is the case.  We have evidence that our station has increased radio
listeners across the city (commercial and community) by re-engaging people
with the medium again.

Let's pull together and campaign on this one instead?

All the best

Murray

On 09/10/2010 12:48, Alan Coote wrote: 

Ian, 

The CMA will do nothing. 

Sorry to be so harsh, but during the Ofcom Community Radio review a couple
of years ago they supported the 50% rule as it characterises Community
Radio. 

I totally agree with you it’s outdated and in desperate need of review along
with a number of aspects – the sooner the better.  

Alan

From: cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk
[mailto:cma-l-bounces at mailman.commedia.org.uk] On Behalf Of Ian Hickling
Sent: 09 October 2010 8:47 AM
To: Jaqui Devereux; cma-l
Subject: [cma-l] Community Radio 50% Rules

I think most of us understood them Jaqui.
More so now - thank you.
But what exactly is the CMA doing about changing this outdated and punishing
regulation?

Ian Hickling
Partner
transplan UK

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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 15:46:23 +0100
From: jaqui.devereux at commedia.org.uk
To: cma-l at commedia.org.uk
Subject: [cma-l] Community radio 50% rules - understanding them

Dear all

Just a clarification on the revised 50% rules for community radio following
the CR Amendment Order:

No more than 50% of your income can come from on air advertising and/or
sponsorship.

The Amendment Order does however now allow that more than 50% can come from
grants, Service Level Agreements etc.

Volunteer time can be counted as part of the "income" mix, but it must be
auditable (timesheets, signing in sheets etc).  However, if 50% of your
income does come from on air ads etc, then only 25% of your income can be
from volunteer in kind time.

So e.g.:

1 - station has a Big Lottery grant of £50,000 for the year (lucky it!), on
air ads etc £20,000, volunteer time £10,000 - that mix is OK.

2 - station has a BL grant of £20,000, on air ads £50,000, volunteer time
£30,000 - NOT OK as volunteer time exceeds 25% of the total

3 - station has BL grant of £25,000, on air ads £50,000, volunteer time
£25,000 - is OK as volunteer time 25%

4 - station has BL grant of £20,000, on air ads £50,000, volunteer time
£30,000, OFF air ads/sponsorship £20,000 - is OK as off air does not count
towards the 50% limit 

Hope that  helps....

Jaqui

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